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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
RABEL222
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 09:14 pm
@0bserver,
The Southern Baptists.
0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 10:51 pm
@RABEL222,
This is not a religion - it's just one branch of a religion. The religion is Christianity. You might as well pick some specific Hassidic branch of Judaism and say that it was never involved in conflicts, or pick some Muslim community in Saskatchewan.

But all three religions above have been involved in major conflicts many times. I don't think it makes sense to blame this or that religion for conflicts. People are the ones fighting - not their beliefs. In fact, the worst wars are usually between different streams of the same religion like Sunni and Shia Islam, or different branches of Christianity in Europe.
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izzythepush
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 02:08 am
@0bserver,
0bserver wrote:
There is a difference between a law that is not applied and a non-existing law you're trying to pass for state discrimination


I'm sure the parents who've seen their children killed by the IDF will take great comfort from your words.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 02:26 am
@0bserver,
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Israeli laws have none of this. So stop accusing Israel of being not democratic. Lets put a period on this issue.


According to the Rabbinical Courts Jurisdiction Law of 1953, all Jewish residents come under the authority for rabbinical courts in the area of domestic and social relations. Thus only kosher meat is allowed in Israel and proselytizing by Christians and others is a crime punishable by five years in prison.

A religious judge can order a husband to divorce his wife or deny a divorce to a wronged wife, and a brother-in-law can keep a childless widow from remarrying. Christians or Muslims cannot marry Jews in Israel, and if they are married elsewhere their bond is not recognized by the rabbinical court in Israel.

In December 1990, the leaders of Christian churches in Jerusalem were so concerned by Jewish encroachments on traditional Christian institutions that they restricted Christmas celebrations to prayers “without any manifestations of jubilation.” The Christians were worried about attempts by Jewish settlers to move into the Christian Quarter of the Old City and about an “erosion of the traditional rights and centuries-old privileges of the churches,” including imposition by Israel of municipal and state taxes. Their statement said, in part: “We express our deep concern over new problems in part: “We express our deep concern over new problems confronting the local church. They interfere with the proper functioning of our religious institutions, and we call upon the civil authorities in the country to safeguard our historic rights and status honored by all governments.

To grasp the absurdity of the notion that Israel is like America, one need only contemplate what life would be like if America operated by the Israeli rulebook. Under those rules, American Christians, the predominant religious community, would enjoy a highly privileged status. They alone could confiscate the property of non-Christians, carry firearms, buy or lease government property, secure subsidized housing, and enjoy other social benefits. Non-Christians could be shot on suspicion of carrying a gun or Molotov cocktail. Police as a means of disciplinary education could break their bones. Their homes could be entered forcibly without a search warrant, dynamited, or sealed. They would be subject to arrest and incarceration for long periods without due process.

Under Israeli-style rules, non-Christians living in territory conquered by US military forces years ago could never become citizens of the United States or have the right to determine their own political future free from US authority. Nor could non-Christians who fled during these military conquests return to their homes.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 02:40 am
BEST GUESS:

Israel will remain where it is...and hatred and bloodshed will remain the norm for the area.

Moment-in-Time
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 03:17 am
@0bserver,
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I can repeat: look at Syria and Iraq - what does Israel have to do with that "war and bloodshed."?


When it comes to Iraq, that problem may be traced back to Israel's whining about Saddam Hussein's possibly sending warheads loaded with nerve gas into Israel. The US broke Iraq because of Israel's need to get rid of a perceived enemy, Iraq.

During the first Gulf War known as Desert Storm, Iraq had invaded Kuwait. George Herbert Walker Bush, Sr was running for reelection and needed something to boost his popularity ratings. He knew that in a time of war the American people would rally around their leader, and so he had to manufacture some ruse to con the American people into thinking he was superman.

Saddam had mentioned to Bush senior that he was planning to invade Kuwait, once a part of Iraq. The then president said he would not involve America in regional squabbles. Not once did Bush sr tell his Ambadsador to Iraq, Aprile Glaspie, that the US would gather together a coalition to fight Hussein if he carried through his threat of invasion on Kuwait. And so, Saddam Hussein, thinking he had the green light to invade Kuwait, went ahead and did so. Now Hussein might have been many things, but he was surely not a stupid person. Had he realized he would be fighting the US and other countries simultaneously, he would not have invaded Kuwait.

After he invaded Kuwait, Bush sr acted with his coalition and began strikes on Iraq. Iraq immediately sent missiles into Israel. Israel began handing out gas masks to its citizens, because a few years earlier, Saddam Hussein had used nerve gas on its own citizens, the Kurds and some Iranians. Israel believed itself to be a target this time around. That put Iraq on its lists of countries to fear and it began agitating for Saddam Hussein's removal --- to be gotten rid of. This same agitation is now going on against Iran. There is no way in hell Obama would take the US to war against Iran, a country who pose no threat to the US. Only Israel is scared witless and that's the Zionist's nation's problem. Now under a Republican president, if the price is right, the US might take the nation to war so US military will die for Israel.

The next opportunity to rid the region of Saddam Hussein came when GWB and Dick Cheney stole the 2000 election from Al Gore. Even before GWB was sworn in, the NEOCONS were working on plans to illegally invade Iraq for Israel. The deal was sweetened by offering Dick Cheney the Iraqi Oil contracts and much profiteering by his so-called *former* company and its subsidiaries.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 03:22 am
This is an interesting article; Catholics vs Jews/Israel.
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Ron Paul To Keynote Anti-Semitic Conference

August 22nd, 2013 2:01 pm
Henry Decker
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Former Texas congressman Ron Paul will reportedly deliver the keynote address at an anti-Semitic conference in September, in the latest example of the three-time presidential candidate’s close association with extremists.

Paul will speak at the Fatima Center’s “Fatima: The Path to Peace” conference, which will run from September 8th through the 15th in Niagara Falls, Ontario. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Fatima Center is part of the “radical traditionalist” Catholic movement, which comprises “the largest single group of serious anti-Semites in America,” routinely attacking Jews as “the perpetual enemy of Christ.”

Along with Paul, the conference will feature Roberto Fiore — a self-described neo-facist Italian politician who was convicted for conspiring to set off a bomb in a Bologna train station in 1980, and has been described by fellow Parliament member Glyn Ford as “absolutely the most extreme person who has ever served in the European Parliament” — and John F. McManus, the president of the John Birch Society, a radical right-wing organization with which Paul is intimately familiar.
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0bserver
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 03:39 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Sorry, I can't read your entire post at the moment, but the second paragraph is already incorrect:
"Thus only kosher meat is allowed in Israel "

Anyone who has ever been to Israel knows that you can get as much non-Kosher anything as you like.


cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 03:43 am
@0bserver,
That's true. Israel serves non-kosher meat in some restaurants.
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0bserver
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 03:44 am
@Moment-in-Time,
There's a saying in Russia: "If there is no water in your tap, the Jews must have drunk it". I'm sure if people try really hard, they will find proof that it was actually the Israelis who originally planted Kim Il-sung in North Korea
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 03:48 am
@0bserver,
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There's a saying in Russia: "If there is no water in your tap, the Jews must have drunk it"]

God damn! Look at Israel behavior and tell me that the Russians did not have the Jews pegged!
0bserver
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 03:51 am
@izzythepush,
I really can't see your point. We both agreed there are no laws discriminating against Arabs. Then you say that some laws are not being implemented in the UK - archery for example. OK. Lets say there are some old laws in Israel too that are not being implemented - how does this affect discrimination? Let alone IDF killing anyone?

Also, did you know that in IDF there exists a concept of an "illegal order" ? If your commander tells you to shoot an innocent civilian, you must disobey. Not only that you can disobey - you have to. Later, when a military tribunal looks at the case - the soldier cannot say "I was just following orders". I don't know of any other army that has anything like that. So go easy on vilifying IDF
0bserver
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 03:54 am
@hawkeye10,
Yep. Time to open a support group:
" Hi, everyone, my name is hawkeye10.. and I'm an antisemite.."
hawkeye10
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 04:02 am
@0bserver,
0bserver wrote:

Yep. Time to open a support group:
" Hi, everyone, my name is hawkeye10.. and I'm an antisemite.."

according to many I am a misogynist as well...
Pervert, rapist, socialist, domestic abuser, negligent parent, all around dick........My anti social bona fides are set!
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hawkeye10
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 04:02 am
@0bserver,
0bserver wrote:

Yep. Time to open a support group:
" Hi, everyone, my name is hawkeye10.. and I'm an antisemite.."

according to many I am a misogynist as well...
Pervert, rapist, socialist, domestic abuser, negligent parent, all around dick........My anti social bona fides are set!
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izzythepush
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 06:56 am
@0bserver,
That worked with Rachel Corrie.
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izzythepush
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 07:01 am
@0bserver,
0bserver wrote:
"Thus only kosher meat is allowed in Israel "

Anyone who has ever been to Israel knows that you can get as much non-Kosher anything as you like.





Which shows how much respect the Israelis have for laws. Just because something is on the statute book doesn't mean anyone pays attention to it. The same is true of all those laws that govern the IDF's behaviour.

Why do you think so many Gibraltarian Sephardic Jews choose to stay British in Gibraltar rather than move to Israel?
0bserver
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 08:22 am
@izzythepush,
No. You got it wrong. The laws actually allow non Kosher food. Why don't you try to make this a bit more fun. Surprize me - say something not anti Israeli. I'm starting to think you are just acting - you don't really believe in everything you say.

I honestly don't believe that an intelligent person can be so one-sided. You can do better than this
izzythepush
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 08:25 am
@0bserver,
MIT researches things diligently. I would not be so dismissive of her posts. It shows that laws don't work if they're not enforced.
0bserver
 
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Sun 1 Sep, 2013 08:28 am
@izzythepush,
There are religious laws that have to be obeyed if you want your shop to have a Kosher permit. If you give that up - you can sell non Kosher food. You lose some fraction of the market, but sometimes it's worth it. In Arab villages obviously most shops are non Kosher
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