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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:11 pm
@0bserver,
You made it personal, by going on my profile and choosing my home town, when you could have been a lot more general. Looks very much like fantasising from where I'm standing.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:12 pm
@0bserver,
0bserver wrote:

OK. emotions aside. Lets assume it's the Jewish fault that they upset so many people. I don't know that for a fact, but lets just assume that. What do you suggest? Make a country for them away from all the people they upset, right? Well that country is called Israel


Okay. Fine.

But why place it there...where the only result that could reasonably be expected was disruption of the only place where Jews were feeling relatively welcome without the state of Israel there?

For the record, I do think Jews upset non-Jews...but only because Jews are, for the most part, acheivers...BIG TIME ACHEIVERS...and for many non-Jews that provokes extreme jealousy and hatred.

I have no idea of how to handle that.

But if Jews truly wish to live in safety and peace...I think their wisest move (perhaps their only sensible move) would be to establish Israel somewhere else. I would suggest within the confines of the United States.
0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:12 pm
@izzythepush,
Here we go again. This is not a law. This is public behavior. UK public discriminates against the immigrants from Poland. So is UK a Nazi state discriminating against sub-human Slavic people?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/07/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices

"Hundreds of Polish migrants have decided to leave Britain, blaming high crime levels and racism for their premature return to eastern Europe.
As Scotland Yard detectives last night continued to investigate the shooting of Magda Pniewska, 26, from Brzeg, southern Poland, representatives of Britain's 600,000-strong Polish community cited Britain's inner-city violence for encouraging people to leave."

Show me laws!!!
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:15 pm
@izzythepush,
Good article which proves Jews discriminate against other Jews; all anti-Semites from both sides! LOL
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0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:17 pm
@izzythepush,
Not at all. I wanted to write London, but then worrying about you being picky about Ashkelon not being Jerusalem, I chose a city with a South in it. Sorry if I made you feel violated. I'm in Toronto if you want to aim rockets.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:22 pm
@0bserver,

0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:22 pm
@Frank Apisa,
And I think anywhere the Jews decide to establish state, they will succeed, and as you're saying that brings hatred. So I think geography does not help here. If anything, Israel is the most natural place because the Jews were driven out of there once, and it is reasonable for them to come back. Just like the grandchildren of the Palestinian refugees coming back to the future Palestinian state.
0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:23 pm
@izzythepush,
This is not the state of Israel! This is a bunch of hooligans.

You want this link again:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/07/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices
izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:25 pm
@0bserver,
The Poles get along fine, believe me I know a lot of them. I live in Southampton remember. Anyone behaving towards a Pole the way the settlers behave towards Palestinians would get arrested and go to jail. Our police would arrest them too, not just sit there grinning while it was going on.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:26 pm
@0bserver,
Bullshit. You went to my profile page.
Foofie
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm not racial profiling; that's what the Jews does in Israel.
I'm only identifying by facts and experience of seeing it for myself how the Jews in Israel profile Palestinians - steal their lands, and take away their freedoms.


What makes Jews do that in Israel? Would they do that in San Francisco? Perhaps, your emphasis on what Jews do is because you cannot really accept that it is a Zionist State? In other words, the Jews that do whatever is not because they are "Jews," but because as Israeli citizens they have nationalistic goals. And, so do the Palestineans, who happen to be Muslims. So, do you hear anyone saying that the Muslims in Palestinean have fired rockets at Israel, or become suicide bombers in Israel. Meaning "Muslim" is a non-sequitor; so is "Jew," unless one finds it meaningful to equate Israel with Jews.THE OLD DOUBLE-STANDARD. Muslims as Palestineans are allowed to have a religious homogeneous state; Jews are not supposed to have a religious homogeneous state?

The fact is that people of two separate religions are adversaries, since they both want the same plot of land. And, just like cities in the US, those that are being displaced by gentrification are angry. You, in my opinion, are just siding with the residents of a gentrifying area. So, with God's help, the Chinatown in San Francisco will one day be gentrified by Caucasian college grads that are looking for a cheaper neighborhood to live in after college. Every city sees it; what makes Palestineans able to keep their neighborhood enclave? Sounds like, in my opinion, that you might side with the people in the inner city (aka, ghetto) to keep their "turf," and the hell with real estate values.

What is funny, in my opinion, is that Israel started out as a socialistic state, and now it is quite capitalistic. If you think those settlements by Israelis in the West Bank come cheaply, think again. It is driven by capitalism.
0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:27 pm
@izzythepush,
And you think settlers don't get arrested for this behavior?

They get it pretty hard from the police
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Police-ordered-to-suspend-use-of-tasers-after-violent-arrest-of-settler-323440
izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:28 pm
@0bserver,
A bunch of hooligans who can pretty much do what they want with the Israeli soldiers watching. The soldiers are there to protect the settlers, not keep law and order.
0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:28 pm
@izzythepush,
prove it
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0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:29 pm
@izzythepush,
You are either ignorant or just doing this on purpose. Here's just one case again
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Police-ordered-to-suspend-use-of-tasers-after-violent-arrest-of-settler-323440
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:29 pm
@Foofie,
If you still have to ask, you're not up to date enough for me to explain.

There are millions of sources in webland that you can search to seek any answer on Israel.

Try " israel stealing palestinian lands" in any search engine. You'll get hundreds of thousands of hits.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:33 pm
@0bserver,
No they don't.
Quote:
On Sunday, July 28, Israeli settlers severely burned land belonging to Hani Abu Haikel and his family in Hebron. Occupation soldiers, though at first trying to help stop the fire, ended up blocking the road so that Palestinian firefighters were delayed in reaching the scene. Several very old olive trees were destroyed in the fire which swept over immense swathes of land very quickly. In the video below, Hani Abu Haikel speaks about the incident and how Israeli settlers, soldiers and police work together to pressure Palestinian families to leave the Israeli-controlled H2 district of occupied Hebron.
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The previous evening, July 27th, Israeli police came to Hani Abu Haikel’s house and questioned him about a variety of subjects including whether he has any plans of leaving the area, to whicb he answered in the negative. Apparently this questioning is a regular occurrence. Israeli soldiers have also arrested Abu Haikel and his children on spurious charges, later releasing them without charge. The soldiers continue to regularly detain and interrogate members of the family.
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Yesterday afternoon Abu Haikel saw settlers present in the area of the Israeli military base. As this is a common thing for them to do, he thought nothing of it at first. However, after this Abu Haikel saw the settlers spray water all over the small plot they have illegally cultivated on his land, right beneath the military base. He then saw them spray another, apparently flammable chemical over his land – soon after this, his land was on fire. Observers noted that Israeli soldiers were obstructing people from reaching the scene to help. Palestinian fire engines were prevented from reaching the scene for at least half an hour, allowing the fire to spread rapidly and scorch the land, despite volunteers passing buckets of water between them to try to quell the flames.


http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2013/07/israeli-settlers-torch-hebron-familys-property-for-eighth-time/
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izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:35 pm
@0bserver,
The cases you post are drops in the ocean, most violent acts by settlers against Palestinians go unpunished or they get a slap on the wrist.
Foofie
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

If you still have to ask, you're not up to date enough for me to explain.

There are millions of sources in webland that you can search to seek any answer on Israel.

Try " israel stealing palestinian lands" in any search engine. You'll get hundreds of thousands of hits.



You just dismissed my post. So, since you won't listen to logic, I'll just repeat. Your position is based on the DOUBLE-STANDARD that Palestineans would be allowed to have a religious homogeneous state. Jews are not supposed to have a religious homogeneous state. If there ever was a Palestinean state no Jews would be allowed to live there. However, Israel has Arab citizens. Double standard. Double standard. Double standard.

Everything is driven by capitalism. The Palestineans are not able to purchase any of the settlements being built. That is why they are angry, in my opinion. They cannot compete with the onslaught of capitalistic real estate gentrification. You are just siding, in my opinion, with the under-dogs of capitalism.
0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 04:40 pm
@izzythepush,
That comes form the media you choose to follow. That does not necessarily reflect any objective view. You just prefer to ignore the facts that disagree with your beliefs - that's called cognitive dissonance. If I can make the effort to see both sides - so can you.

As for Poles getting along, you know that there are African and Middle-Eastern Jews and Arabs in the Israeli government, generals in the military, an Iranian-born president, as well as an Arab supreme court judge right?
 

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