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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
0bserver
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 04:19 pm
@izzythepush,
Canada has enough military resources to protect itself from the dangers it faces. The UK has much more ability than it actually needs. I think it's mainly tradition. UK used to be an empire, so it still has that philosophy. I can't see a reason why UK can't tune down its military tenfold .

izzythepush
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 04:19 pm
@0bserver,
0bserver wrote:
This argument leads nowhere


It didn't lead anywhere when you started with your Anglophobic rants. You don't like it when the boot's on the other foot.
0bserver
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 04:20 pm
@izzythepush,
Are you sure they are not in your DNA?
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0bserver
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 04:24 pm
@izzythepush,
Why is any criticism of the UK Anglo-phobia, but anything you say against Israel is just and right?

You want to take sides and start criticizing one side of a conflict while ignoring any wrong doing on the part of the other. The same tactic can be applied to you. Tell me about the things you like about Israel, I will tell you what I like about the UK.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 05:17 pm
@0bserver,
It's probably because the topic of this thread is about ISRAEL.
JTT
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 09:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Really really stupid, CI. What's next? Are you gonna accuse Observer of trolling?
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izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 01:40 am
@0bserver,
Criticism? Lies. You said British soldiers sent ship loads of Jews to Nazi Germany. That was a deliberate lie, and a disgusting one. Why would anyone tell such sick lies if they weren't motivated by Anglophobia?
izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 01:43 am
@0bserver,
0bserver wrote:
I can't see a reason why UK can't tune down its military tenfold .




Just a while ago you were saying we should attack Syria. Make your mind up.
0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 05:28 am
@izzythepush,
This is simple logic:
1. UK can in principle have a much smaller military just to protect itself
2. It already has a huge military because of the empire legacy

Because of 2. it can and should help the Syrians. If it decides to be reduce the military might and becomes less of an empire , then it will not have the ability and thus the responsibility to interfere.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 05:33 am
@0bserver,
We are helping the Syrians, we send humanitarian aid. Carrying out a military strike could do more harm than good.

We have no cultural/imperial legacy regarding Syria anyway. Beforehand you were telling Walter Germany should get involved. Everyone except Canada it seems.
0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 05:37 am
@izzythepush,
Will you stop with the "lies" nonsense? You called Shamir a president, you said Israeli laws discriminate according to race in a funny scale with blacks on the bottom, then Russians and then the Germans etc.

I can be maybe inaccurate sometimes, but I do covey the main idea - similar to your point about Shamir. That sort of statement is not a lie, it's a minor inaccuracy. Same as the British turning Jewish ships from UK to Belgium instead of Germany - I just can't see the difference frankly. Also, when I mentioned British detention camps on Cyprus for Jews trying to escape the Nazis, you acted like that was a normal thing. I don't see how that is much better.

On the other hand, your statement about race discrimination in Israel is not a minor inaccuracy - that was a deliberate attempt to mislead. Or maybe you also believe that Israeli Arabs have different color licence plates from those of the Jews?

Bottom line, stop being one-sided yourself, and you will be surprised how much less Anglophobia you get.

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izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 05:38 am
@0bserver,
Btw, if you want to discuss Syria why not use this thread?
http://able2know.org/topic/221145-1
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0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 05:44 am
@izzythepush,
". Carrying out a military strike could do more harm than good."

That's one opinion. There are many opposite ones. It is also important to specify what sort of a strike. Taking out rocket launchers won't change the balance of this war enough to get rid of Assad. I'm aware of the fact that there are many others there that are just as nice as him. But they don't have chemical rockets.

I never Said UK had imperial legacy regarding Syria. All I mean is that the UK has a strong military because of the previous imperial legacy. Canada does interfere in many conflicts where it can contribute.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 06:07 am
@0bserver,
Our parliament has debated this. We're a democracy, and we're not going to be told what to do by you, especially when you're not doing anything yourselves.

After all the lies we were fed about Iraq we're not going to commit our troops on some American's say so.

I'm not going to discuss Syria any more on this thread. If you want to continue, follow the link.
0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 06:25 am
@izzythepush,
Excellent point! Israel is a democracy. Its parliament has debated the many aspects of the conflict with its neighbors, including the Palestinians. They are not going to be told what to do by you.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 07:02 am
@0bserver,
Israel is not a proper democracy about half of the population can't vote. They're represented by a toothless pseudo government with very little power.

My government though should listen to me, and those like me who say that Israel should lose it's favoured nation status when trading with the EU as well as a cultural and sporting boycott.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 09:24 am
@0bserver,
Israel doesn't listen to anybody - even their strongest allies. They are a pariah state with only governments supporting them, and not the people of those countries. I've yet to see any polls on the American people who support Israel, but have seen many who wish to boycott Israel's commerce. Europeans by far are against Israel. Who else does Israel have? Nobody.
RABEL222
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 10:05 am
@cicerone imposter,
Bought politicians and the military trump the opinion of the U S of A population on Israel. Yes I know I am an anti-Semite because I have the ability to see the truth.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 10:21 am
@RABEL222,
That's part of the problem, but the bigger problem is our media who continues to print bull **** that Israel is a democracy - and our only friend in the Middle East.

Most people (Americans) are ignorant about Israel - and the rest of the world.
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0bserver
 
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Sat 31 Aug, 2013 01:33 pm
@izzythepush,
Now this is a complete lie! What citizens of Israel have no right to vote?

If you know the truth and doing this intentionally - you're just evil
 

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