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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
0bserver
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 11:42 am
@izzythepush,
Oh, that part of Lehi history. Well "They differentiated between 'enemies of the Jewish people' (the British) and 'Jew haters' (the Nazis), believing that the former needed to be defeated and the latter manipulated". So they tried to manipulate some of their enemies. I don't see your point - they never agreed with them. It is still better than the The Duke of Windsor admiring the Nazi ideology.

"I remember British soldiers kidnapped, tortured and murdered by Israeli terrorists."

Twisting the facts as usual. The Irgun kidnapped British soldiers (not kids as Palestinian terrorists do !). And that was done in response to the British kidnapping Jews threatening to hang them. The British killed the Jews. In response the British were killed by the Jews. Harsh but fair - this is war. Soldiers get killed in wars. No one was tortured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sergeants_affair

But what followed was British terrorism on innocent Jewish civilians:

" These policemen opened fire on two buses, killing one Jew and injuring three others on the first bus and killing three Jews on the second. They also raided two cafés, detonating a grenade on departing from the second. Later, a body was found nearby, bringing the Jewish death toll to five"

Can you imagine what BBC would say if Israeli policemen just decided to detonate a grenade in a Palestinian cafe? They get screamed at for shooting rubber bullets at the actual people throwing stones at them - not randomly blowing up people in cafes. Some morals on the British.

Also , what about the House of Commons on Syria, still proud?
0bserver
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 11:57 am
Not at all. A good parliament represents the opinions of its people. It's those opinions that look pretty sad to me
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 12:21 pm
@0bserver,

0bserver wrote:

Not at all. A good parliament represents the opinions of its people. It's those opinions that look pretty sad to me
That has been a response to a question, I'd deleted. It was about the democratic reaction of a democratically elected parliament.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 01:01 pm
@0bserver,
It shows that all this talk about Nazis is a load of crap. Israel is quite happy to elect Nazi collaborators as presidents, and give Nazis a hero's welcome when they come to visit.

I am proud of the decision in the House of Commons. Very proud.

A commentator on C4 mentioned that Obama is trying to avoid regional confrontation, and that a missile strike on Syria may cause Assad to make it regional by launching an attack on Israel. I'd rather avoid that.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 01:06 pm
@0bserver,
Funny how you view the Taliban as freedom fighters.

We went into Afghanistan and Iraq to support America and look where it got us.

Instead of making wild unsubstantiated allegations, give details of British settlements in Afghanistan.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 01:19 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I am proud of the decision in the House of Commons. Very proud.
I think it's always a good sign when a parliament isn't just rubber stamping the governments decisions but listening to those, who the represent.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 01:22 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Funny how you view the Taliban as freedom fighters.
They were seen as those in Reagan's time ...
izzythepush
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 01:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
They were, I'll give you that, but so were the Contras.
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Foofie
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 01:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

We're talking about how Jews treat the Palestinians in Israel.

It's really a simple concept.


You are racial profiling. You should say Israelis. Some of the military are not Jewish. But, being an internment camp survivor, I can empathize with your looking for a racial component to your position, in my opinion.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 02:09 pm
@Foofie,
I'm not racial profiling; that's what the Jews does in Israel.
I'm only identifying by facts and experience of seeing it for myself how the Jews in Israel profile Palestinians - steal their lands, and take away their freedoms.
0bserver
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 03:17 pm
@izzythepush,
1. Not collaborators - manipulators. They were enemies. Just as Hamas is an enemy, but if Hamas can take care of Islamic Jihad rocket firing terrorists - why not use them?
2. Before WWII the Nazis were just another kind of typical European antisemites - not that different from many others.
3. Shamir was not a president

"I am proud of the decision in the House of Commons. Very proud."
Want to go door to door in the suburbs of Damascus that were attacked by nerve agents and tell the mothers of the dead children this happy statement?

" missile strike on Syria may cause Assad to make it regional by launching an attack on Israel."

I seriously doubt that can happen. A missile strike on Syria will damage Assad's ability to keep launching chemical weapons, but it won't finish off his regime. If he attacks Israel, his regime will be in danger, and that means the whole Alawi minority is in danger. He's not insane - he's cruel and calculated. He's smart enough not to attack Israel. Listen to the Iranian and Syrian media in the last few days. All of a sudden they stopped threatening Israel - they want to stay in power even if hit hard.

0bserver
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 03:18 pm
@izzythepush,
Did I claim anything? I asked you: are you sure there aren't any UK civilians in Afghanistan?
0bserver
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 03:20 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
You're missing my point. I have no issues with the mechanics of UK politics. I assume that the politicians reflect the public opinion. My issue is with that public opinion
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 03:24 pm
@0bserver,
I'm fairly certain there's contractors there, and I'm sure there are no armed groups of UK civilians setting up camp in Afghanistan, and turfing the locals out of their homes.

This is just a ridiculous comparison, anything to avoid talking about the gross injustice that is the occupation.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 03:28 pm
@0bserver,
Why do you think Syria is the Uk's responsibility.

Instead of engaging in random Anglophobia, why don't you have the guts to say where you're from?
izzythepush
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 03:35 pm
@0bserver,
0bserver wrote:
" missile strike on Syria may cause Assad to make it regional by launching an attack on Israel."

I seriously doubt that can happen


Well what do you know? I prefer the opinion of someone with some expertise in the field rather than some bloke on the internet whose knowledge of Geography and History is rather shaky to say the least.
0bserver
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 03:35 pm
@izzythepush,
Are you sure the contractors are not armed? Some (not all) Jews in the West Bank are armed for protection. I would guess the contractors in Afghanistan would want the same. But I have no information on that - you're the expert.

Any occupation is bad. I have no argument there. The question to ask is what causes it and how to get rid of it. The Israeli one is caused by many many wars launched by its neighbors aimed at Israel's annihilation. So my guess is when that desire to annihilate Israel goes away, so will the occupation. UK occupation in Afghanistan is also caused by some security arguments, even though by much less convincing ones. UK occupation of India was cause by no good reasons in my memory. And UK opium wars were caused by very funny reasons in my opinion.

I keep hearing this "turfing the locals out of their homes. " in Palestinian propaganda. Can you give me some facts on that?
izzythepush
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 03:42 pm
@0bserver,
You're so right, Israel has done nothing wrong. They're not building settlements on other people's land. They treat the Palestinians with respect. Everyone is just so mean to them.

You just keep on refusing to accept the nature of the occupation, so there's no real point debating with you. Like I said earlier, I've been here before. I don't want to have the same conversation over and over again.
0bserver
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 03:42 pm
@izzythepush,
1. Syria is the responsibility of the countries that have the ability to deal with it - including the UK.
2. I don't suffer from Anglophobia, despite what you may think. I just think the UK is especially hypocritical on dealing with Israel. You feel you have the right to criticize every move Israel makes, while you feel safe that no one will criticize you . Well, every stick has two ends.
3. I don't see how it matters. I'm from Canada. Canada has lots of its own issues, so don't start listing them - I know them all by myself pretty well.
0bserver
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2013 03:43 pm
@izzythepush,
OK. I guess your knowledge of everything is perfect. I have no certainty on Assad - like I said, I doubt that will happen
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