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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 04:39 pm
@Arjunakki,
Arjunakki wrote:
On the web there are myriad posters with a fanatical devotion to an irrational, primordial rage, always on the ready to tear into others because they disagree.

You can only be referring to you and your fellow anti-Semites.


Arjunakki wrote:
Quote:
izzythepush wrote:
Oralboy fantasizes about killing babies and thinks it would be a good idea to nuke Italy and Russia.

Note that, as usual, izzythepush both lies about me and engages in name-calling. (He is too stupid to voice an actual intelligent argument.)

You might take a moment to learn how to properly quote people one of these days? It only takes a minute or so.


Arjunakki wrote:
To any ordinary discerning poster, Oralloy most likely has emotional or mental issues

Nah. I'm just not an anti-Semite.


Arjunakki wrote:
personally, it's not a good idea to take what he has to say to heart.

I always state the truth. Taking what I say to heart is actually a very good idea.
oralloy
 
  0  
Tue 27 Aug, 2013 04:40 pm
@Arjunakki,
Arjunakki wrote:
But you were not to supposed to take me literally, Ci, but to "think."

CI doesn't do "think". He's a retard.


cicerone imposter wrote:
It's a simple matter of ethics and humanity on the subject of Israel's continued expansion of settlements on Palestinian lands.

No such Palestinian land. It might become Palestinian land as part of a peace agreement. But absent such an agreement it remains Israeli land, and Israel is free to build on it as they please.

(If you want it to become Palestinian land, maybe you should consider scaling back your efforts to collapse the peace talks.)


Arjunakki wrote:
I am in the forefront of fighting for Palestinian justice.

Oh nonsense!

We have for the first time in more than 12 years a real chance that a peace agreement will be negotiated based on 1967 borders.

Your only reaction has been to do your very utmost to undermine the peace talks.
oralloy
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 04:41 pm
@Arjunakki,
Arjunakki wrote:
The entire world has taken note of Israeli illegal settlements, the suppression of the Palestinian people and the US paying lip service while giving Israel 3 Billion annually ----that is simply too damn much!

Nothing illegal about Israel building settlements. In the absence of a peace agreement, Israel is free to do with the land as they please.

If you succeed in your efforts to undermine the peace talks with all your hate posting, Israel will have every right to keep on building settlements.

It is proper that the Palestinians be suppressed when they run around murdering children and refusing to make peace.
JTT
 
  2  
Tue 27 Aug, 2013 05:25 pm
@oralloy,
Just Oralboy foot stomping and Uncle Sam's jism spewing.
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JTT
 
  2  
Tue 27 Aug, 2013 05:27 pm
@oralloy,
Some more Oralboy foot stomping and Uncle Sam's jism spewing.
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JTT
 
  2  
Tue 27 Aug, 2013 05:28 pm
@oralloy,
Still more Oralboy foot stomping and Uncle Sam's jism spewing.
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MontereyJack
 
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Tue 27 Aug, 2013 11:22 pm
Oralloy, for one of his peculiar and opaque reasons, thinks Israeli settlements in the West Bank aren't illegal. Pretty much the entire rest of the world, not least the International Court of Justice, disagrees with him, because the settlements violate numerous agreements , accords, and the Geneva Conventions. I'd say they have more law on their side than oralloy does.

From Wikipedia:
Quote:
[Israel] continues to both expand its settlements and settle new areas in the West Bank in spite of the Oslo Accords, which specified in article 31 that neither side would take any step that would change the status of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip pending the outcome of the permanent status negotiations. However, Israeli settlement expansion has continued unabated.[4][5][6][7][8]

The international community considers the settlements in occupied territory to be illegal.[9] Israeli neighborhoods in East Jerusalem and communities in the Golan Heights, areas which have been annexed by Israel, are also considered settlements by the international community, which does not recognise Israel's annexations of these territories.[10] The United Nations has repeatedly upheld the view that Israel's construction of settlements constitutes violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[11][12] The International Court of Justice[13] also says these settlements are illegal,[14][15] and no foreign governments support Israel's settlements.[16] In April 2012, UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon, in response to moves by Israel to legalise Israeli outposts, reiterated that all settlement activity is illegal, and "runs contrary to Israel's obligations under the Road Map and repeated Quartet calls for the parties to refrain from provocations."[17] Similar criticism was advanced by the EU and the US.[18][19] Israel disputes the position of the international community and the legal arguments that were used to declare the settlements illegal.[20]

The ongoing expansion of existing settlements by Israel and the construction of settlement outposts is frequently criticized as an obstacle to the peace process by the Palestinians[21] and third parties, including the United Nations,[22] Russia,[23] the United Kingdom,[24] the European Union,[25] and the United States.[22]

Arjunakki
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 03:23 am
@cicerone imposter,
Arjunakki wrote:
Quote:

That type of poster I steer from and instead of getting into an emotional standoff with them, I usually make a joke of it. Total ignorance is something that throws many of us off base. The entire world has taken note of Israeli illegal settlements, the suppression of the Palestinian people and the US paying lip service while giving Israel 3 Billion annually ----that is simply too damn much! When we encounter posters like Oralloy, it's best to just ignore his existence because posters similar to him doesn't mean himself any good or else he would quit running posters away from him as if he had the middle ages' black plague.


cicerone imposter wrote:
Quote:
Simplistic would be good! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


Sorry for the above garbled response, Ci. I was doing several things at one time and rushing. I had intended to say, without being too explicit, that Oralloy, for the most part, appear to be mentally maladjusted. The poster doesn't mean himself any good for if he did he would not post in such a way as to make others want to pull their hair out. --- I can understand other posters' frustration with Oralloy because when I initially witnessed this bizarre side of his board personality I felt viscerally ill.----I felt as if I wanted to strangle him. Tis better to use the mechanism to place him on ignore for those unable to stomach his style of posting.
oralloy
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 03:09 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Oralloy, for one of his peculiar and opaque reasons, thinks Israeli settlements in the West Bank aren't illegal.

Hardly peculiar and opaque. The proper means of handing land over to the Palestinians is through a negotiated peace agreement.

Absent any negotiated peace agreement, there is no requirement for Israel to give up any land.


MontereyJack wrote:
Pretty much the entire rest of the world, not least the International Court of Justice, disagrees with him, because the settlements violate numerous agreements, accords, and the Geneva Conventions.

Those agreements and accords only require land to be turned over to the Palestinians as part of a peace agreement.

Israel is under no obligation to hand land over to people who refuse to make peace with them.


MontereyJack wrote:
I'd say they have more law on their side than oralloy does.

The law only requires land to be handed over as part of a peace agreement.

If people refuse to make peace with Israel, Israel is under no obligation to give up any land to them.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 03:09 pm
@Arjunakki,
Arjunakki wrote:
I had intended to say, without being too explicit, that Oralloy, for the most part, appear to be mentally maladjusted. The poster doesn't mean himself any good for if he did he would not post in such a way as to make others want to pull their hair out.

In other words, I post nothing but the truth.

That bothers people who wish for lies to prevail.


And I openly support a fair peace agreement based on 1967 borders.

That bothers people who don't really care about the Palestinians, but who hate Jews, and have found that the Palestinians are a convenient excuse for attacking Jews.


Arjunakki wrote:
I can understand other posters' frustration with Oralloy because when I initially witnessed this bizarre side of his board personality I felt viscerally ill.----I felt as if I wanted to strangle him.

The thought that the Palestinians might get their own state based on 1967 borders must be giving you fits. One of your favorite excuses for attacking Jews might be about to disappear.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 28 Aug, 2013 03:31 pm
@oralloy,
Nothing but empty words when expanding settlements continue as if nothing has changed.
Foofie
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 03:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Nothing but empty words when expanding settlements continue as if nothing has changed.


Actually, nothing has changed. Get it?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 06:18 pm
@Foofie,
Most of us "get it." Jews are breaking international laws against stealing other people's land/property.


The US government is an accomplice in this illegal activity.
RABEL222
 
  0  
Wed 28 Aug, 2013 10:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The US government is an accomplice in this illegal activity.


Amen brother!!!
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JTT
 
  2  
Thu 29 Aug, 2013 06:49 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The US government is an accomplice in this illegal activity.


You say this like it's a surprising thing, CI. The US government is normally the perpetrator of the illegal activity going on in the world. That why it's, far and away, the leading terrorist nation/group in the world.
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JTT
 
  2  
Thu 29 Aug, 2013 06:54 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Most of us "get it." Jews are breaking international laws against stealing other people's land/property.


You and Rabel should turn your attention south, as the US is doing, has been doing similar amoral things to the people of Cuba for over a century. And not only Cuba, pick any South and Central American country. The number of US war crimes/US terrorism in that gigantic area is stunning in its volume, greed and brutality.
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Foofie
 
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Thu 29 Aug, 2013 03:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Most of us "get it." Jews are breaking international laws against stealing other people's land/property.


The US government is an accomplice in this illegal activity.



Are you talking about Israelis? By referring to them as "Jews" you sound like their Jewishness is causing them to act a certain way. Many people do believe that.
Advocate
 
  1  
Thu 29 Aug, 2013 03:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Most of us "get it." Jews are breaking international laws against stealing other people's land/property.


The US government is an accomplice in this illegal activity.



Are the Pals breaking international law when they shoot rockets and missiles into Israel, blow up public buses and stores, etc.?
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 29 Aug, 2013 03:51 pm
@Foofie,
We're talking about how Jews treat the Palestinians in Israel.

It's really a simple concept.
Advocate
 
  1  
Thu 29 Aug, 2013 04:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Pals are treated extremely well in Israel, provided they are not there to blow up things.
 

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