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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Foofie
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 04:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's also obvious, you know nothing about parenting.



Nothing is obvious. You need to explain yourself.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 04:06 pm
@Foofie,
If I need to explain parenting, it only proves my point.

Why do you think children from one family are different? Same parents.

Guess.
oralloy
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 04:20 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
InfraBlue has been detailing Israeli terrorism and crimes for a long long time and for you to advance this silly nonsense,
"That peace process that you are trying to derail"
is what my post was mostly aimed at.

Outrageous false allegations of Jewish "crimes" are sadly a staple of anti-Semitism.

But the anti-Semitism had died down. It had been a good while since the anti-Semites were posting their hateful lies.

Then, as soon as there is a resumption of peace negotiations (and beyond all surprise, a real hope that the negotiations will actually succeed), suddenly all the anti-Semites are out in full force vomiting the most outrageous lies imaginable all over the board.

That's not a coincidence.

I predict that if it appears likely that peace talks are succeeding, the hateful lies about Israel will grow even more outrageous.



JTT wrote:
It's illustrative that you are even running out of propaganda.

One cannot run out of what one has never trafficked in to begin with.

It has been more than a dozen years since I've felt any sort of hope that negotiations would achieve peace based on 1967 borders.

It has been many months, probably a year even, since I've been confronted by any really outrageous lies about Israel.

It is no coincidence that without warning I am suddenly confronted by both at once. They are linked.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 04:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Is that the best you can do? Give me a thumb's down? LOL

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Advocate
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 05:16 pm
@oralloy,
I remember some Israeli terrorism. After being hit with only about 8,000 rockets and missiles coming from Gaza, Israel had the temerity of invading Gaza to put a stop to the attacks. How terrible!
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 05:21 pm
@Advocate,
How terrible is right! Palestinians have rocks, and Israelis have nukes. Terrible!
Arjunakki
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 05:37 pm
@izzythepush,
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Way too much credit, we've just taken baby steps. Israel still has favoured nation status in dealing with Israel. The EU may be doing more than the US but it's still very little.


I beg to disagree. The EU has begun a slow but sure process of isolating Israel; much depends on these so-called peace talks but if they fail, then limited trade will be put into effect. As for the US, well, Israel controls foreign policy, almost. They have not forced the Obama administration to strike Iran yet and the Zionist nation dearly wanted the US to side with Al-Assad of Syria and with the now deposed former president of Egypt, Morsi. This is why Obama did not call the Military overthrow of the Morsi government a Coup! Of course if they had called it a coup then financial aid of 1.5 billion would have been cut, and the 1979 Peace Treaty under Carter between Egypt and Israel would have been in danger of falling apart. The Egyptian people loathed Israel and assassinated Anwar Sadat just for visiting Israel....they would rather forgo the aid because the Arab nations have promised to give at least 12 BILLION to the impoverished Egyptian nation if the US withdraws aid. To show its displeasure of the killing of so many people and the military overthrow of Morsi, the US has halted delivery of f-16-fighters to Egypt.

Quote:
It's the people, not governments that are actually doing something, same as the boycott of apartheid South Africa.


Granted, it is the people who are pressuring the government to act; people in America are restricted in what they read regarding Israel...criticism is barely mentioned re the Zionist nation.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 25 Aug, 2013 08:51 pm
@Arjunakki,
You got that right! Israel has the US government in their palms, and nobody will be able to change that support.

Any dummy can see that Israel is not a democracy with their growing settlements on Palestinian lands. Palestinians don't have any legal rights in Israel, and the majority of Americans doesn't give a damn!
izzythepush
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 02:18 am
@cicerone imposter,
The latest.

Quote:
Three Palestinians have been killed in clashes with Israeli forces in Qalandiya refugee camp in the West Bank, Palestinian sources say.

Nineteen Palestinians were wounded in the confrontation, Palestinian medical sources said.

Israeli police said "riot dispersal methods" had been used against some 1,500 Palestinians throwing rocks and petrol bombs during an arrest.

They did not confirm the use of live fire or any reported deaths.

Palestinian sources named those killed as Rubeen Abed Fares, 30, Yunis Jahjouh, 22, and Jihad Aslan, 20. They said Fares and Aslan were both shot in the chest, and that Aslan had died of brain damage.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23839675
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Arjunakki
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 03:53 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:

Any dummy can see that Israel is not a democracy with their growing settlements on Palestinian lands. Palestinians don't have any legal rights in Israel, and the majority of Americans doesn't give a damn!


Ci, I do not believe you to be as in tune with America as you pretend. You, are an American, and I don't see you blowing kisses toward Israel, the Apartheid state. There's a significant sizeable number of Americans who observe foreign policy most closely and are very much disgusted at Israel because of its ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and the continued building of illegal settlements on Palestinian land --- not all Americans have their heads in the sand or up their rear end, or mentally confused as one or two screech Israel should use its nukes. Not all Americans think Israel is god's gift to humankind or that the Zionist group is God's Chosen. Why should Israel be more of an important people to the US than the Palestinian? The hard core truth is they're not with the exception of a few religious brain dead nut cases who believe in the Bible's end times' fables.

The other reason (I should not have to remind you of this) is the US congress is bought lock stock and barrel by the Israeli governments's AIPAC, an American Jewish Pac lobby group amidst other US Jewish groups to contribute handsomely to the US congress, both Dems and Republicans alike so they will always be PRO-ISRAEL. Let the money stop pouring into the congress and Israel can kiss support from the US congress goodbye.

A few years back I used to watch C-Span's Washington Journal, on cable; eventually my habits changed and I began watching CNN morning news as I got ready for the office. C-Span's Washington Journal is a call-in show which last approximately 3 hours daily with repeats. On this program, the public is allowed to express their feelings regarding the subject at hand. The middle East and Israel is discussed frequently. The vitriol spouted against Israel is intense. This is where people get off their shoulders what they hate most about congress and its continued financial support for a tiny apartheid nation. The world collectively fought apartheid successfully in South Africa and here our government is in bed with Israel and it's apartheid status.

The American people, at least most of them who realize what's going on, would dearly love the US to use a more forceful hand with the rogue Zionist nation who has gotten so mighty with its nuclear facility, and when it tells the US to jump America asks how high, oh mighty Israel? If per chance a Republican gets into power, i.e., the US Presidency, Israel will be home free and will take every inch it can get and then might try and RETAKE Mt. Sinai and cement its claims on the Golan Heights, along with owning Jerusalem outright. That is if the European Union refuses to act! Obama is more cautious and will certainly not allow Israel to force the US into action against Iran because that will be a pyrrhic victory, one fought at too great a cost. Israel, if contemplating going to war with Egypt over Mt Sinai, well, she might want to rethink that one; you see, Egypt today, is better equipped with advanced weaponry supplied by the US and will be more of a match than earlier with Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser in 1956 and 1967.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 06:30 am
@Arjunakki,
Arjunakki wrote:
C-Span's Washington Journal is a call-in show which last approximately 3 hours daily with repeats. On this program, the public is allowed to express their feelings regarding the subject at hand. The middle East and Israel is discussed frequently. The vitriol spouted against Israel is intense. This is where people get off their shoulders what they hate most about congress and its continued financial support for a tiny apartheid nation. The world collectively fought apartheid successfully in South Africa and here our government is in bed with Israel and it's apartheid status.


I wouldn't read too much into that. What proportion of the population watch? I bet it's not a lot, so many people, (not just Americans it's as true over here,) find politics boring, and turn off. Of course those who've taken an interest would be disgusted with Israel's Apartheid form of government. Only the wilfully ignorant like Advocate support Israel.
Foofie
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 09:26 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Only the wilfully ignorant like Advocate support Israel.



Don't forget those Jews that lost family in the Holocaust. Wilfully realistic!
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 10:24 am
@Foofie,
You're talking about the past - over 50 years ago. We are talking about the Jews in Israel of today that continues to steal land and kill Palestinians.

You're cheapening the holocaust by wearing it as a banner to approve the apartheid in Israel of today.

You have no shame or humanity.
Foofie
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 10:38 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You're talking about the past - over 50 years ago. We are talking about the Jews in Israel of today that continues to steal land and kill Palestinians.



I know you were in the Holyland, and spoke to people. They might not share with you that they were quite aware of grandparents that died in the Holocaust. If Jewish Israelis were not aware of the Holocaust, plus the four wars by Arab armies to annihilate the state, then many might come to Los Angeles or New York; however, they collectively realize that there is only one place where Jews can live as Jews, without worrying about someone calling out "kike." That is Israel. Not every Jew wants to live amongst Gentiles, just like not every Japanese national wants to emigrate to the U.S. Some people just want to live amongst their own, for their entire life. However, due to suicide bombings and rockets, Palestineans and Jews are not the friendliest of neighbors. Your ongoing commentary is inconsequential to the outcome of the situation (it could even worsen it for the Palestineans, since Israel could then think that the brand of continued rhetoric, people with your opinion post, puts them in a no-win situation, and therefore Israel just becomes just that more obstinate).
izzythepush
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 10:41 am
@Foofie,
Not you though Foofie.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 10:57 am
@Foofie,
I hate to burst your Jewish bubble, but Jews served in Hitler's military and SS.

Many became high ranking officers.

Try to digest that if you can.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 11:19 am
@cicerone imposter,
150,000 "Mischlinge" served in the Wehrmacht, according to Bryan Mark Rigg's Hitler's Jewish Soldiers and The Untold Stories of Hitler's Jewish Soldiers. Which actually isn't very surprising since these "mixed jews" had not only been 'normal' members of the society but were "enthusiastic Germans" - like their ancestors during WWI.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 11:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Understood. However, many Jews who served in the German military also had family members in those extermination camps.

During the war, Japanese Americans served in the US military against Japan even though they had family members serving in the Japanese military.

Japanese Americans volunteered to serve in the US military from concentration camps in the US.



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izzythepush
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 11:38 am
@Foofie,
Gerald Kaufman however, did lose family in the Holocaust.

cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 26 Aug, 2013 11:49 am
@izzythepush,
Thanks for sharing that video. Kaufman knows of what he speaks. Israelis are fools.
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