Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

And of course, and yet again, completely side tracks the issue of the problem and repercussion of the imposition of that place on the Palestinian peoples.

That peace process that you are trying to derail is the Palestinians' only remaining hope for a state based on 1967 borders.

But I guess if you succeed, they'll learn to make do with Gaza alone.

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@oralloy,

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That peace process that you are trying to derail

Bullshit like this comes out because you assholes are just so used to spewing any old crap, any silly propaganda and never getting called on it.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

oralloy wrote:
That peace process that you are trying to derail

Bullshit like this comes out because you assholes are just so used to spewing any old crap, any silly propaganda and never getting called on it.

You might recall that peace negotiations have resumed? You posted in a different thread that you shared my hope that negotiations would succeed and result in peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

It is no coincidence that as soon as peace negotiations resumed, characters like InfraBlue started popping out of the woodwork and spewing outrageous falsehoods about Israel.

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@oralloy,

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You might recall that peace negotiations have resumed? You posted in a different thread that you shared my hope that negotiations would succeed and result in peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

Yes, I truly hope that comes to pass.

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It is no coincidence that as soon as peace negotiations resumed, characters like InfraBlue started popping out of the woodwork and spewing outrageous falsehoods about Israel.

InfraBlue has been detailing Israeli terrorism and crimes for a long long time and for you to advance this silly nonsense,

"That peace process that you are trying to derail"

is what my post was mostly aimed at. It's illustrative that you are even running out of propaganda.

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@cicerone imposter,

You are citing and using a pro-Palestinian website. This is so typical of the anti-Semitic posters here.

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@Advocate,

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You are citing and using a pro-Palestinian website.

Facts are facts, Advocate.

B'Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html

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This is so typical of the anti-Semitic posters here.

This is one of the most fatuous, one cannot even begin to suggest that it approaches 'argument'.

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So there are two national groups which claim national self-determination. One group is the indigenous population, or what's left of it -- a lot of it's been expelled or driven out or fled. The other group is the Jewish settlers who came in, originally from Europe, later from other parts of the Middle East and some other places. So there are two groups, the indigenous population and the immigrants and their descendants. Both claim the right of national self-determination. Here we have to make a crucial decision: are we racists or aren't we? If we're not racists, then the indigenous population has the same rights of self-determination as the settlers who replaced them. Some might claim more, but let's say at least as much right. Hence if we are not racist, we will try to press for a solution which accords them -- we'll say they are human beings with equal rights, therefore they both merit the claim to national self-determination.

http://www.chomsky.info/books/dissent01.htm

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@djjd62,

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yes i can, i can look at that map and say israel does not systemically appropriate land

Had djjd62 discovered in 2009 what one would think McTag would have been all over like a cheap suit or was he just doing his famous "say something/say nothing" routine?

I guess only his hairdresser will know for sure.

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@InfraBlue,

Regardless of your rhetoric, I believe Israel exists so Europeans do not have to have Jews, in great numbers, in their midst. That would mean one can't have their cake and eat it to. Arabs will not allow Israel to live in peace, so the hostility/antipathy will go on, as long as Jews exist. You see, the era of the "timid Jew" is over. Arabs were so astonished when they lost the war in 1948. Much of the world was also. But, you do know that some people are slow learners.

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@JTT,

The Chomsky quote is full of lies. For instance, the Pals are not indiginous to the territory. Also, the Pals were not driven out, expelled, or made to flee. The invading Arab armies told them to leave to better enable the invasion. They were told they could return in two weeks (after the Arab victory), seize the Jewish property, and have their way with the Jewish women.

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@Foofie,

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Regardless of your rhetoric, I believe Israel exists so Europeans do not have to have Jews, in great numbers, in their midst.

What a dumb thing to suggest, but then, you are Foofie, Foofie.

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@JTT,

It is not dumb at all. It is a very reasonable observation.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

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Regardless of your rhetoric, I believe Israel exists so Europeans do not have to have Jews, in great numbers, in their midst.

What a dumb thing to suggest, but then, you are Foofie, Foofie.

You might be too young, and living in a cloistered environment, to really understand how Europeans felt about Jews when Jews populated a few countries in Europe in great numbers. Your comment above is based on nothing.

By the way, the Holocaust proves much of your diatribes falls on deaf ears, since the Holocaust was perpetrated on fellow Europeans, while what you claim are the sins of America were perpetrated on non-Europeans. My point being that if white Europeans can perform genocide, with no remorse, on other white Europeans, then your expecting white folks anywhere to be concerned about non-Europeans is a bit optimistic, in my opinion. The Holocaust just proves the depth of sociopathalogy that might run through humanity. You are just having an exercise in frustration. You might be a great example of wasting one's energies, in my opinion.

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@Foofie,

The "true" sociopathology occurs when a defined group suffers bigoted misery at the hand of another, then that same group who suffered perpetuates violence and discrimination on another group.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

The "true" sociopathology occurs when a defined group suffers bigoted misery at the hand of another, then that same group who suffered perpetuates violence and discrimination on another group.

No. It's called learning by example. Or, possibly, internalizing an oppressor's behavior. Sort of like the cycle of violence when children who could be physically disciplined, as children, then become physical disciplinerians of their own children as adults. Standard psychology. No sociopathology.

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@Foofie,

We're not talking about "parenting" here; it's about how Zionists treat the Palestinians. It's about bigotry, hate, and intolerance of another group of people.

It's about sociopathology.

It's also obvious, you know nothing about parenting.

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@cicerone imposter,

You mean that the Zionists blow up public buses, pizza parlors filled with kids, bingo parlors filled with elderly women, and shoot 8,000 rockets and missiles into the Palestinian areas. Hey, wait a minute. It is the other way around.

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@Advocate,

They don't have to blow up buses or pizza parlors. The numbers of innocents killed tell the real story. A attack in Gaza killed many children.
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=9221

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@Advocate,

Israel's got significantly greater killpower, they kill far more efficiently. Just look at the numbers.

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@Advocate,

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You mean that the Zionists blow up public buses, pizza parlors filled with kids, bingo parlors filled with elderly women, and shoot 8,000 rockets and missiles into the Palestinian areas. Hey, wait a minute. It is the other way around.

There are some who feel Israel's refusal to stop building illegal settlements on Palestinian land has earned the rocket attacks. As Izzy's post stated, Israel kills more efficiently, more Palestinians.....several times the number of one or two Israelis. Israel is considered the Super Power in the middle east, backed up by the US who is seen as very weak on Israeli settlements. Israel has sent missiles into Apartment complexes seeking one person and killing many children, women and men! It bulldozes Palestinians homes, and I recall the IDF tank rolling over the American Rachel Corrie.

ENOUGH! I have no sympathy for a country with such trifling regard for a people whose land they continue to steal. I have no compassion for a country that spreads propaganda from dawn to dusk that they're being attacked when in reality they continue defying international law, giving the finger to the powers that be. Sending rockets seem to be the only psychological strength the Palestinians have because they certainly do not have any justice stemming from the Israeli controlled US congress.

MORE POWER TO EUROPEAN COMMUNITY WHO WILL DO WHAT THE FRIGHTENED US WILL NOT DO!!!!!!!

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@Arjunakki,

Arjunakki wrote:

MORE POWER TO EUROPEAN COMMUNITY WHO WILL DO WHAT THE FRIGHTENED US WILL NOT DO!!!!!!!

Way too much credit, we've just taken baby steps. Israel still has favoured nation status in dealing with Israel. The EU may be doing more than the US but it's still very little.

It's the people, not governments that are actually doing something, same as the boycott of apartheid South Africa.

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