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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2019 05:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
I've written this before,

And I've corrected all of the falsehoods before.


cicerone imposter wrote:
a democracy doesn't have armed guards on the roads to restrict any culture, religion or race to have a different colored license plate

Israel does not restrict the design of Palestinian license plates in any way.


cicerone imposter wrote:
to restrict the use of all roads in the country like Israel.

All countries control who can enter their territory.


cicerone imposter wrote:
In the West Bank, Palestinians and Israelis use different colored license plates. Palestinian vehicles have green or white plates; Israeli vehicles have yellow plates.

Canadian and American license plates are different too. Does this mean that Canada and America are not democracies?
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2019 09:03 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
It's unfortunate that it takes violence to achieve these concessions.

It doesn't take violence.

The Palestinians would achieve far far more by going to the negotiation table and peacefully accepting Israel's existence as a Jewish state.


Violence is what it took, and has taken, to achieve these concessions.

The issue of the negotiating table is the larger problem. The Zionists expect the Palestinians to surrender their rights in order to indulge the Zionists' ethnocentrically prejudiced ends. It's not going to happen.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2019 09:19 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Violence is what it took, and has taken, to achieve these concessions.

Violence is what it took to achieve less than 1% of what peace would have achieved for the Palestinians.


InfraBlue wrote:
The issue of the negotiating table is the larger problem. The Zionists expect the Palestinians to surrender their rights in order to indulge the Zionists' ethnocentrically prejudiced ends. It's not going to happen.

Enjoy your less than 1% then. Instead of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders, you've got a fishing zone off the coast of Gaza.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2019 10:16 pm
@oralloy,
The situation is untenable. The Zionists' oppressive bigotry will be the ruin of everyone involved.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 10 May, 2019 10:26 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The situation is untenable.

I disagree. I think that Israel will be able to continue indefinitely by ruthlessly smashing the Palestinians whenever they grow violent.


InfraBlue wrote:
The Zionists' oppressive bigotry will be the ruin of everyone involved.

I think that Israel and the US will come out of this just fine.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2019 03:08 am
Quote:
Primal Scream’s Bobby Gillespie has said Madonna will “do anything for money”, over her decision to perform during the final of the Eurovision Song Contest in Tel Aviv.

Speaking to Newsnight ahead of the release of a new greatest hits album, the rock band's lead singer called Madonna a “total prostitute” adding, “Primal Scream would never perform in Israel".

“I think the whole thing is set up to normalise the State of Israel and its disgraceful treatment of the Palestinian people. By going to perform in Israel I think what you do is you normalise that," he said.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-48317569/primal-scream-madonna-will-do-anything-for-money
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2019 03:23 am
@izzythepush,
I have no idea who this Primal Scream person is. I take it that Primal Scream is the name of a band?

At any rate, these neonazi types always get upset at people who don't share their hatred for Israel. Such tantrums are to be expected.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2019 03:25 am
Quote:
Facebook has removed hundreds of social media accounts and banned an Israeli firm due to "co-ordinated inauthentic behaviour" mainly targeting Africa.

The fake accounts often posted on political news, including on elections in various countries, the firm said.

Facebook has faced rising criticism for failing to stamp out misinformation on its platform.

It launched a fact-checking programme in 2016 shortly after Donald Trump became US president.

In a blog post, Facebook said it had removed 265 social media accounts that originated in Israel and focused on Nigeria, Senegal, Togo, Angola, Niger and Tunisia, along with "some activity" in Latin America and South East Asia.

"The people behind this network used fake accounts to run pages, disseminate their content and artificially increase engagement.

"They also represented themselves as locals, including local news organisations, and published allegedly leaked information about politicians," Nathaniel Gleicher, head of cybersecurity policy at Facebook, wrote in the post.

An investigation found that some of the activity was linked to Israeli company Archimedes Group, Mr Gleicher said.

"This organisation and all its subsidiaries are now banned from Facebook, and it has been issued a cease and desist letter," he said.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48305032
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 28 May, 2020 08:20 am
Quote:
Lapid warns of “Civil War” as Netanyahu Accuses Courts of Conspiracy and Pledges to Steal 1/3 of Palestine

Ann Arbor (Informed Comment) – Israel’s i24 reports that Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu addressed his Likud Party on Monday and said that he will move forward with the annexation of one third of the Palestinian West Bank in July “with wisdom” and with the “unity of all forces.”

On Sunday, the Israeli courts began their trial of Netanyahu for corruption, bribery and influence-peddling. Before the proceedings, the prime minister delivered an unhinged rant in which he accused the prosecutor, the police, and the courts of having mounted a conspiracy to get him and remove him from office, thereby thwarting what he called the will of the people. Netanyahu’s far right Likud Part only got about a fourth of the seats in Parliament and even with his electoral allies fell short of a majority.

Opposition leader Yair Lapid responded to Netanyahu’s screed by accusing the prime minister of attempting to undermine the rule of law and to drag Israel into a “civil war.” He said that Netanyahu knew very well that his charges would foment violence [on the part of the Israeli far right], but that he did not care.

Addressing the Likud a day later, Netanyahu said, “There is a historic opportunity that has never existed since 1948. It is a huge opportunity that we must not miss.” Netanyahu was referring to the Trump White House, which could not care less if Netanyahu steals Palestinian land. Previous administrations have at least paid lip service to a two-state solution. Trump’s and Pompeo’s dependence on US evangelicals and on elements of the Israel lobbies, however, makes this administration the most one-sided in history in backing the expansionist dreams of the Israeli far right.

International law, as in the UN Charter, forbids the acquisition of neighbors’ territory by military force. Israel grabbed the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 even though the Palestinian people were not independent and therefore not a belligerent in the Six-Day War. Although the initial occupation was not illegal per se, for Israel to keep the territories for many decades and flood hundreds of thousands of its own citizens into it is highly illegal and contravenes the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 on the treatment of populations in Occupied Territories.

Netanyahu also pledged to ready Israel for another global wave of the coronavirus.

He denounced moves at the International Criminal Court in the Hague to consider charges against Israeli officials and military personnel of committing war crimes against the Palestinians. The Rome Statute of 2002 that governs the ICC considers the crime of Apartheid a crime against humanity, and Israel is strengthening its Apartheid (i.e. Jim Crow) regime in the West Bank.

Between permanently applying Israeli sovereignty to much of the Palestinian West Bank and his assault on the entire Israeli legal system, Netanyahu is refashioning Israel as an illiberal semi-dictatorship with a racialist hierarchy.

——-


https://www.juancole.com/2020/05/netanyahu-civil-war.html
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 28 May, 2020 08:30 am
@revelette1,
It's Israeli land, not Palestinian land. Therefore Israel is not stealing it.

IMO, Israel should also finish construction of the Security Fence in the areas where they have previously been pressured to not complete it.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 28 May, 2020 08:37 am
@oralloy,
It's not Israeli land.
Quote:
nternational law, as in the UN Charter, forbids the acquisition of neighbors’ territory by military force. Israel grabbed the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 even though the Palestinian people were not independent and therefore not a belligerent in the Six-Day War. Although the initial occupation was not illegal per se, for Israel to keep the territories for many decades and flood hundreds of thousands of its own citizens into it is highly illegal and contravenes the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 on the treatment of populations in Occupied Territories.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 28 May, 2020 08:40 am
@MontereyJack,
The Palestinians' refusal to make peace means that Israel is not required to hand any land over to them.

If the Palestinians want to live in their own country they can go live in the Gaza Strip.
revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 28 May, 2020 08:49 am
@oralloy,
You do realize, do you not, you don't get to make international law into what you want it made into, neither does Israel. Palestinians are not required to accept whatever gets thrown their way or else forfeit their rights.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 28 May, 2020 09:09 am
@revelette1,
The Palestinians are required by international law to make peace with Israel in exchange for receiving land.

Israel is only required by international law to give land to the Palestinians in exchange for peace.

"Land For Peace" doesn't mean "Give land to the Palestinians while they wage an endless war of annihilation against Israel."


So unless you have news that the Palestinians are suddenly willing to make peace, Israel gets to keep the land for themselves.

The Palestinians should consider themselves lucky. Mr. Netanyahu is being much kinder to them than I'd be in his position.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 28 May, 2020 11:11 am
@oralloy,
rev is right. you are not. israel has spent 70 years saying it's my way or the highway, rather than seriously trying t deal with Palestinians on mutual;;y acceptable terms/
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 28 May, 2020 11:39 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
rev is right. you are not.

That is incorrect. The Palestinians are required by international law to make peace with Israel in exchange for receiving land.

"Land For Peace" doesn't mean "Give land to the Palestinians while they wage an endless war of annihilation against Israel."


MontereyJack wrote:
israel has spent 70 years saying it's my way or the highway, rather than seriously trying t deal with Palestinians on mutually acceptable terms

That is incorrect. Israel has offered over and over and over again to trade land for peace with the Palestinians.

The Palestinians are the only party here that refuses to comply with international law.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 09:50 am
@oralloy,
they are not required to make peace when their adversary tramples on them and their requests. Israel took their land. Yhey want it back.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 09:55 am
@oralloy,
When Netanyahu gets convicted and sent to jail as he should be, there may be a chance for reason to prevail.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 10:07 am
Gantz 'Very Sorry' for Killing of Unarmed Disabled Palestinian

https://images.haarets.co.il/image/fetch/x_48,y_39,w_1152,h_670,c_crop/q_auto,h_488,w_840,c_fill,f_auto/fl_lossy.any_format.preserve_transparency.progressive:none/https://www.haaretz.co.il/polopoly_fs/1.8883401!/image/1022985987.jpeg

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-gantz-offers-apologies-over-killing-of-disabled-palestinian-man-in-jerusalem-1.8884470

Funeral of Eyad Hallaq, 32, to take place later Sunday

Haaretz
Published at 04:18

Defense Minister Benny Gantz expressed his condolences Sunday morning for the death of Eyad Hallaq, a Palestinian man with special needs who was shot and killed by Israeli police Saturday in Jerusalem, ahead of Hallaq's funeral.

"We are very sorry for this incident," Gantz said in a government meeting. "I am sure the issue will be investigated quickly, and conclusions will be drawn."

Hallaq's funeral is set to take place later Sunday.

Hallaq, 32, resided in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Wadi Joz. He attended and worked in a special needs school in the Old City, just meters away from where he was shot Saturday morning.

According to a statement by the Border Police, two officers noticed Hallaq carrying a suspicious object that they thought was a gun and ordered him to stop. After the man refused and started fleeing the scene, the officers started chasing him on foot and opened fire, ultimately killing him.

They later discovered that Hallaq was unarmed.

The Police Internal Investigations Department is investigating the incident.

According to an initial investigation, the two officers began pursuing Hallaq on foot after being alerted about a suspected terrorist carrying a pistol. “We suspected he acted alone and responded according to protocol,” one of the officers said during questioning.

The more senior officer of the two shot in the air while the junior officer shot at Hallaq, who was trying to hide behind a dumpster. The junior officer said he suspected Hallaq was a terrorist because he was wearing gloves.

After being questioned under caution, one of the officers was released under restrictive conditions while the other was placed under house arrest.

According to a source familiar with the investigation, the junior officer – who was a new recruit and was armed with an M16 – is suspected of having continued shooting after being told by his commander to stop, doing so because he saw Hallaq was still moving. A Jerusalem court has issued a gag order on the names of the officers involved.

Speaking with Haaretz, Hallaq family members said “he wasn’t capable of harming anyone” and was autistic and classified as disabled.

Hallaq's father said that his son would go to the special needs school every day. “He never had problems with the police. In the morning we received a call from the special needs facility, telling us our son had been killed.”

Protests demanding justice for Hallaq took place in Jerusalem and Jaffa on Saturday evening. Demonstrators carried photos of George Floyd, an African American man who was killed by a white police officer in Minneapolis last week and whose killing spurred nationwide protests in the U.S. against police brutality.

Ayman Odeh, the chairman of the Joint List, an alliance of four predominantly Arab parties, expressed his condolences over Hallaq's death.

“We must fight the expected police cover up and make sure that the officers [responsible] go to prison ... At the same time we must remember that those officers were the ones who pulled the trigger, but the occupation loaded the gun. Justice will be served only when the Hallaq family and the entire Palestinian people will have freedom and independence,” Odeh said
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2020 10:13 am
@bobsal u1553115,
You can see why Netanyahu gets on so well with Trump.

It’s disgusting, but I doubt his killer will spend any time in prison.
 

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