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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2018 08:15 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
"Indigenous population" is a criterion only in your own mind, not in law. And genetically Palestinians are descendants of the " indigenous " population anyway.
Expropriation is a criterion in your own mind, not in law. The law recognizes Israel's right to exist, and their right to gun down violent Palestinians in self defense.

And Israeli Jews are the indigenous population of the West Bank area.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2018 12:06 pm
@oralloy,
Jews and Palestinians are the same people genetically differing only in religion. Israel is denying the Palestinians their right to their ancestral homeland.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2018 09:50 pm
@MontereyJack,
No question about Jews stealing Palestinian lands. Also of importance is the fact that Israel is not a democracy. A lie perpetrated by the US government. https://imeu.org/article/quick-facts-israels-theft-destruction-of-palestinian-land-homes Since military occupying the Palestinian West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and Gaza in the June 1967 War, Israel has implemented a series of policies intended to contain and restrict the growth of Palestinian population centers and to make life difficult for ordinary Palestinians in the hopes that they will leave and can be replaced with Jewish settlers. These policies include the theft and destruction of Palestinian land for the building of illegal Jewish settlements and making it extremely difficult for Palestinians to get permission to build or expand homes and then destroying structures that have been built without a permit. Also, https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/article/now-its-law-israel-not-democracy. "Faced with a fully acquiescent West, or even an accomplice (Trump administration and its allies), it seems almost natural and due to a government like that of Benjamin Netanyahu to do what you want by going far beyond what his predecessors did. If no limits are set and everything is allowed, it is natural that a people who base their philosophical-existential logos on personal divine election will feel entitled to kill thousands of unarmed Palestinians on the borders of the Gaza Strip or to recognize illegal settlements in West Bank without fear of repercussions. In the West, there will always be someone who will justify such acts as a right to self-defense, which will speak of Israel as a model to be imitated and which will succumb to the priests and the rites of the holocaustic religion."
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2018 10:38 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Jews and Palestinians are the same people genetically differing only in religion.
That means Israeli Jews have just as much right to be in the region as Palestinians do.

MontereyJack wrote:
Israel is denying the Palestinians their right to their ancestral homeland.
That is incorrect. Israel has repeatedly offered a two-state solution to the Palestinians. It is the Palestinians who refuse to make peace and insist that Israel be destroyed.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2018 10:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
No question about Jews stealing Palestinian lands.
Nope. When a Jew lives on his own land, that isn't theft.

cicerone imposter wrote:
Also of importance is the fact that Israel is not a democracy.
Wrong again. Israel has regular elections.

cicerone imposter wrote:
A lie perpetrated by the US government.
A lie perpetrated by you. Have you no shame?

cicerone imposter wrote:
Since military occupying the Palestinian West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and Gaza in the June 1967 War, Israel has implemented a series of policies intended to contain and restrict the growth of Palestinian population centers and to make life difficult for ordinary Palestinians in the hopes that they will leave and can be replaced with Jewish settlers.
Wrong again. Since the 1967 war, Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians a two-state solution in return for peace.

cicerone imposter wrote:
These policies include the theft and destruction of Palestinian land for the building of illegal Jewish settlements and making it extremely difficult for Palestinians to get permission to build or expand homes and then destroying structures that have been built without a permit.
That's not Palestinian land. Palestinian land is Area A plus the Gaza Strip.

The Palestinians will be given additional land in exchange for peace. But until the Palestinians agree to make peace, they will never possess this additional land.

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the holocaustic religion.
Nice to see that you follow the teachings of neonazis.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2018 11:07 pm
@oralloy,
Wrong again. Since the 1967 war, Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians a two-state solution in return for peace.
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Repeatedly????? Can you provide two instances of that happening? Just pacifying US Presidents as if they might actually consider it, doesn't count. When did they offer a two state solution and when did the Palestinians reject it?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2018 01:18 am
@glitterbag,
Israel offered the palistinans nothing
Ollie is lying again. Strike that. Ollie is still lying like his hero Trump
glitterbag
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2018 02:06 am
@RABEL222,
Netanyahu made it ultra clear a few years ago he has no intention of even considering a two state solution. I don't know where ollie comes up with that nonsense. Come to think of it, neither does he.

oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2018 06:32 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Repeatedly?????
Yes.

glitterbag wrote:
Can you provide two instances of that happening?
Yes.

glitterbag wrote:
Just pacifying US Presidents as if they might actually consider it, doesn't count.
If Israel made the offer, it counts.

glitterbag wrote:
When did they offer a two state solution and when did the Palestinians reject it?
In 2000, Ehud Barak offered a two-state solution to the Palestinians.

In 2008, Ehud Olmert offered a two-state solution to the Palestinians.

In 2005, Ariel Sharon attempted unilateral disengagement under the theory that the Palestinians might simply organize their own state if Israel simply pulled back without a peace deal being reached.

In 2012, Benjamin Netanyahu offered a two-state solution to the Palestinians.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2018 06:34 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Israel offered the palistinans nothing
When you deny Israel's past peace offers, you make it OK for Israel to take whatever they want by force.

RABEL222 wrote:
Ollie is lying again. Strike that. Ollie is still lying like his hero Trump
Nope. As usual everything that I say is completely true.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2018 06:36 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
Netanyahu made it ultra clear a few years ago he has no intention of even considering a two state solution.
Netanyahu offered the Palestinians a two-state solution in 2012. And his three predecessors offered a two-state solution back when they were in charge of Israel.

glitterbag wrote:
I don't know where ollie comes up with that nonsense. Come to think of it, neither does he.
Facts and history are always inconvenient for the left, but that doesn't make them nonsense.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2018 01:50 pm
https://www.timesofisrael.com/msnbc-apologizes-for-completely-wrong-maps-of-israel/
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2018 05:22 pm
@oralloy,
Except for the lies you constantly tell even when posters post the truth that directly give the lie to your words. Who do you think your fooling with your crap? Everyone on this site know you lie, even cj. If you said the world was round I would demand an investigation because I have never known you to be truthful.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2018 11:22 pm
@RABEL222,
You have a big mouth, but what speaks loudest of all is your inability to point out a single incorrect thing that I've said.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2018 11:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
There was no excuse for MSNBC's antisemitism in the first place. But at least they had the decency to apologize, I'll give them that.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2018 12:36 am
@oralloy,
But unlike you I never knowingly lie.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2018 12:44 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

glitterbag wrote:
Repeatedly?????
Yes.

glitterbag wrote:
Can you provide two instances of that happening?
Yes.

glitterbag wrote:
Just pacifying US Presidents as if they might actually consider it, doesn't count.
If Israel made the offer, it counts.

glitterbag wrote:
When did they offer a two state solution and when did the Palestinians reject it?
In 2000, Ehud Barak offered a two-state solution to the Palestinians.

In 2008, Ehud Olmert offered a two-state solution to the Palestinians.

In 2005, Ariel Sharon attempted unilateral disengagement under the theory that the Palestinians might simply organize their own state if Israel simply pulled back without a peace deal being reached.

In 2012, Benjamin Netanyahu offered a two-state solution to the Palestinians.




You often ask if anyone can say your 'facts are not correct" they should speak up. This is me telling you that all of the stuff you offered is nonsense, it never ever reached the point of honest negotiation. Netanyahu has made it crystal clear that he has no intention of ever treating the Palestinians or the Christians as 'people', there will now no 2 state solution as long as BiBi is in charge. You have a pathetically twisted lack of understanding on everything....I don't know who you look to for rational facts...but you must worship an idiot. I feel sorry for you.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2018 01:43 am
@RABEL222,
I don't think he's smart enough to knowingly lie. He believes the delusional crap he utters be cause the alternative, the truth would sent him into a cycle of despair.

Can you imagine being like that, incapable of positive emotions, a mixture of hatred and servility? Then imagine the scales dropping from your eyes and seeing yourself as you really are. I don't think anybody could handle that.

Meanwhile he'll keep screaming anti Semite at those who dare to criticise Israel while licking the arses of his Holocaust denying buddies.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2018 03:25 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
But unlike you I never knowingly lie.
You have a big mouth, but you're all talk. You can't back up your big talk by pointing out a single untrue thing that I've said here.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2018 03:29 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
I don't think he's smart enough to knowingly lie.
My IQ's 170. I notice that you're too embarrassed to say what your IQ is.

izzythepush wrote:
Can you imagine being like that, incapable of positive emotions, a mixture of hatred and servility?
Which one of us is a European serf again?
 

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