Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

@Walter Hinteler,

I perceive no contradiction.

@oralloy,

And why can't you extrapolate your situation to that elsewhere?

(I don't blame the Francs that they invaded us - after all, my ancestors, Saxons, invaded the country of the Bructeri before as well. And I still live just miles away from where they originally settled, too.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

And why can't you extrapolate your situation to that elsewhere?

Do you mean "use the fact that the US used superior power to seize land from Native Americans, to justify Israel using superior power to seize land from Palestinians"?

If that is what you meant, I suppose I could use that argument.

I much prefer though to point that Israel repeatedly and endlessly offered a two-state solution to the Palestinians, only to be rebuffed with violence and deceit every single time, and that Israel is only on their present course because the Palestinians have rejected all peace.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinians will not give up their Right of Return. The Two State Solution is not a fair peace precisely because it aims to deny the Palestinians their right.

I remind you that the Israeli Jews are the indigenous people here. Whatever right of return the Palestinians might have, the Israeli Jews have a billion times more.

The only fair outcome was to divide the land between both claimants. That was what the two-state solution attempted to do.

The originating Zionists were Europeans. The latter Zionists were Mesopotamians, Persians, and North Africans.

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@InfraBlue,

The "only fair outcome" in this situation is an oxymoron.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

The originating Zionists were Europeans. The latter Zionists were Mesopotamians, Persians, and North Africans.

All direct descendants of the original Iron Age Israelites.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

The "only fair outcome" in this situation is an oxymoron.

Do you have an alternative other than land for peace?

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@oralloy,

You are blind: the Israelis are building settlements on Palestinian lands.
The UN has determined that to be illegal by international laws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You are blind: the Israelis are building settlements on Palestinian lands.

Now you are just being silly. It was only a few hours ago that I made it clear in this very thread that I was fully aware of the settlements.

I also note that you don't seem to have any alternative to land for peace. I guess "only fair outcome" wasn't such an oxymoron after all.

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@oralloy,

Land for peace is an oxymoron when the israelis continue to build settlements on Palestinian lands. You don't understand human behavior or logic.

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@oralloy,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The originating Zionists were Europeans. The latter Zionists were Mesopotamians, Persians, and North Africans.

All direct descendants of the original Iron Age Israelites.

According to the latest genealogical research, the European Zionists are comprised mostly of Southern European gene pools. The Mizrahim are comprised of gene pools originating in the general areas of West Asia from where they originate.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
The "only fair outcome" in this situation is an oxymoron.

Do you have an alternative other than land for peace?

Yeah, the Right of Return for peace.

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@InfraBlue,

Good answer. I don't think oralloy knows what that means.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

I don't think oralloy knows what that means.

It means the Palestinians refuse to make peace with Israel, thereby giving Israel the moral right to take what they want through military force.

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@oralloy,

No, it does not.

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@MontereyJack,

oralloy doesn't understand international law.

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@oralloy,

Israel was admitted to the UN as a PEACE LOVING COUNTRY.
The US military remains strong, but we do not use it to take over our neighboring countries.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

No, it does not.

Wrong. When you make repeated and endless efforts to reach a fair peace, and your adversary only ever responds with violence and deceit, you then have the right to use force to end your adversary's aggression against you.

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@oralloy,

You can't make fair peace when they continue to expand their settlements on Palestinian lands. It's already been determined by international law to be illegal.

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