Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

From the standpoint of the Palestinian concerns, their desires might be put on the back burner by Sunni nations, as they look to Israel to somehow counter a future nuclear armed Iran. In effect, Palestinian's progress to full nationhood might "be gone with the wind," for now, so to speak?

5) We in the West are not willing to push the Jews, we still feel guilty about the Final Solution

In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (‘uprising’) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): "God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution", proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.

Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.

The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.

Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison ("on humanitarian grounds") where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords. Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997.

Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war, (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries. The the budget of The Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories.

The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.

They are the girl who is always crying rape so she gets what ever she demands, no matter how unreasonable, the one who is always beating up people because she claims to feel "threatened"....and getting a pass for her abuse every time.

The abuser who can sell themselves as a victim is golden.

2) the two groups (the jews and the arabs) dont want a solution, they want a fight to the death

5) We in the West are not willing to push the Jews, we still feel guilty about the Final Solution

It's a fact that the ultra-zionist Lehi group tried to cut a deal with the Nazis during WW2 to get rid of the British in Palestine. One of their members, Shamir, later became prime minister of the state of Israel. Israel also supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza in the 70's, as a counterweight to the PLO, only to see these people found Hamas in the 80's.

But it does not follow that Israel funds ISIS.

I said some believe they do, and I gave reasons why. I've yet to make my mind up, but if it turned out Israel was funding IS I wouldn't be remotely surprised.

But it does not follow that Israel funds ISIS. That's a non sequitur. And just because ISIS may appear as useful to Israel doesn't imply that Israel funds them. I rest my case.

You honestly think a terrorist group has any qualms about where its money comes from? They wouldn't want their supporters to know, but that's as far as it goes. Walter White managed to make sure his family got $9million in drug money even though they didn't want it. (Yes I know it's a story, but the principle is the same.)

How do wealthy Saudis get their money to Al Qaida for that matter? Bank accounts in tax havens and convoluted money transfers. And a nation state has even more resources and technical expertise. I don't think Mossad would have any problems sending money anywhere in the World.