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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Sat 23 May, 2015 08:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Peres has been an effective humane fake nose for the Israeli fascists over his years as president. Only foreigners take him seriously.
revelette2
 
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Sat 23 May, 2015 10:32 am
@korkamann,
Well, lets just hope another chance comes up in the UN before Obama leaves office and he lives up to expectations. We should bear in mind he only said something like we need to review (can't remember exact wording) our relationship with Israel. Guess I need to look it up.

Depressing to think of Hillary being President in light of what you just posted.

This was edited in: On the whole, I hope other nations are willing and able to boycott Israeli products and whatever else in that line works to get them to turn back from their extreme positions and help peace by letting the Palestinians have a state under their control.
korkamann
 
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Sat 23 May, 2015 11:27 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
We should bear in mind he only said something like we need to review (can't remember exact wording) our relationship with Israel.


And that was the hint, that Obama might not veto UN resolutions against Israel in the future.....that is the only pressure the Obama can use because reducing funds from Israel's annual American taxpayer will only find the Zionist nation easily replacing this money for the illegal settlers from other wealthier areas! Articles by various sources highlighted the administration doing just this, using restraint in vetoing. But as you indicate, in point of fact, doing is another scenario.
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The news regarding Hillary's position as Secretary of State is beginning to disturb me very much. As much as I hate to find fault with the candidate, some things one simply cannot ignore.

Below is an article you might find interesting. Bobsal, my much admired poster, might have posted this already (I doubt it since it's just being posted by the NYT this morning, and yet if so, I do apologize for the repeat.).

"Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
By JO BECKER and MIKE McINTIREAPRIL 23, 2015

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

"A Quid Pro Quo"
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-07/the-billionaire-whose-clinton-foundation-ties-could-be-trouble-for-hillary-clinton
revelette2
 
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Sat 23 May, 2015 03:43 pm
@korkamann,
I am not sure why you have a problem with the Clinton foundation, from what I read on your article, it seems a good thing devoted to charity. In any event, not sure why it would necessarily be on this thread. But I hear you on Hillary and Israel. It's the main reason why I wish someone else would come along who does not have such ties to the Israel lobby and all that.
korkamann
 
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Sat 23 May, 2015 05:12 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
I am not sure why you have a problem with the Clinton foundation, from what I read on your article, it seems a good thing devoted to charity. In any event, not sure why it would necessarily be on this thread. But I hear you on Hillary and Israel. It's the main reason why I wish someone else would come along who does not have such ties to the Israel lobby and all that.
You're correct, the Clinton Foundation does not belong on this thread. Sometimes it's easy to morph off into another subject without really meaning to.

As for trying to find a politician not so professedly reverent for Israel in today's America, one would have to come up with another Barack Obama. AIPAC, the American-Jewish lobby has contributed handsomely to both parties, practically all candidates without discrimination, to make sure Israel will always be favored. And this is why justice will never take place in that neck of the ME and why Israel and America may look forward to an uncertain future with more terrorist attacks. The Arabs blame America for Israel and all Israel's enemies are now America's. The American people do not have a say in this by the way because this government is run by the people in Congress who are the primary recipients of Israel's largesse.
korkamann
 
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Sat 23 May, 2015 05:15 pm
@korkamann,
I'm outta here for now. Take care, Rev. See ya next week, possibly.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 23 May, 2015 05:30 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Peres has been an effective humane fake nose for the Israeli fascists over his years as president. Only foreigners take him seriously.

This is why the Israeli voters decided to take a break from the peace talk farce. All they ever get for their trouble is people falsely accusing them of never having tried to make peace.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 23 May, 2015 05:31 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
Well, lets just hope another chance comes up in the UN before Obama leaves office and he lives up to expectations. We should bear in mind he only said something like we need to review (can't remember exact wording) our relationship with Israel. Guess I need to look it up.

What they said was that they might not veto a resolution calling for a restart to the peace talk farce.

While the peace talk farce is indeed tiresome, a restart to the farce is hardly the grave threat to Israel that you anti-Semites might wish it to be.


revelette2 wrote:
On the whole, I hope other nations are willing and able to boycott Israeli products

It is unlikely that anti-Semitism is widespread enough to allow national support for anti-Semitic measures.

In addition, there is a push to have these new trade deals that Mr. Obama is negotiating include specific prohibitions against such boycotts.


revelette2 wrote:
and whatever else in that line works to get them to turn back from their extreme positions

Typical anti-Semite. Falsely accusing Jews of all sorts of atrocities.


revelette2 wrote:
help peace by letting the Palestinians have a state under their control.

Giving the Palestinians a stronger platform from which to murder people will do the exact opposite of helping peace.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 23 May, 2015 05:32 pm
@korkamann,
korkamann wrote:
And that was the hint, that Obama might not veto UN resolutions against Israel in the future.....

You Nazis got yourself so excited over what you expected was harm to Israel that you didn't bother to pay attention to what you were reading.

The Obama Administration only spoke of not vetoing a resolution that called for a restart to the peace talk farce.

The farce is indeed tiresome, but if Mr. Netanyahu returns to the negotiating table and has to waste some of his time, that will hardly be a disaster for Israel.


korkamann wrote:
The news regarding Hillary's position as Secretary of State is beginning to disturb me very much. As much as I hate to find fault with the candidate, some things one simply cannot ignore.

Oh nonsense. You would be delighted to ignore and cover up Democratic wrongdoing.

I remember your positions during Bill Clinton's presidency.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 23 May, 2015 05:33 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
I am not sure why you have a problem with the Clinton foundation,

She's pretending that she objects to wrongdoing in Democratic politicians.


revelette2 wrote:
But I hear you on Hillary and Israel. It's the main reason why I wish someone else would come along who does not have such ties to the Israel lobby and all that.

The American people back Israel 100%. This support will be reflected in the positions of elected politicians.
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georgeob1
 
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Sun 24 May, 2015 09:43 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I don't think of Foofie as being Jewish, because doing so would be anti Semitic. Nor do I view him as American because that does a great disservice to Americans.

There are lots of lovely Jewish and American people who do not deserve to be associated with such a creature.

Instead I see Foofie for what he is, a big steaming turd, although I fear I may be doing a disservice to turds everywhere.


I've often wondered if Izzy talks as tough in person as he does on these remote and safe sites. (Is it he or she?)

Israel is as intractable a problem as has been the problem of nothern Ireland. The cynical plantation of Calvanist Scots there by the British government over three hundred years ago, in an effort to weaken and divide their subject states, created a problem that is now only slowly coming to resolution centuries later. The analogous actions of European states over the the 20th century, starting with the folly of WWI and the tragedy of WWII has created a similar situation in the Middle East. As in Ireland where the Irish and the Scots were the victims, the Arabs and the Israelis are the victims in the Middle East.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 24 May, 2015 09:45 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
I've often wondered if Izzy talks as tough in person as he does on these remote and safe sites.
Today, you hear him speaking in your own language Wink
Ionus
 
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Sun 24 May, 2015 09:48 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I've often wondered if Izzy talks as tough in person as he does on these remote and safe sites.
I've often wondered if dizzy doesnt know any words not known to a crack whore .
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georgeob1
 
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Sun 24 May, 2015 09:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
I've often wondered if Izzy talks as tough in person as he does on these remote and safe sites.
Today, you hear him speaking in your own language Wink


You are dead wrong Walter. I argue and criticize ideas and judgments about events, but I don't indulge in the coarse epithets and personal attacks that are Izzys main outlet. Subtlty and irony in any form are alien to him/her.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 24 May, 2015 10:13 am
@georgeob1,
Pentecoste (quinquagesimus dies, Acts 2:1–6) ...
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izzythepush
 
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Sun 24 May, 2015 10:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I wonder how a child murdering piece of crap has the gall to criticise anyone else. For all his fancy titles that's all Gob1 is.
georgeob1
 
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Sun 24 May, 2015 10:49 am
@izzythepush,
Izzy, If I am what you say, then so is every Royal Air Force Pilot who served in WWII Korea, or any of the post WWI struggles to preserve your empire in Rodesian, Kenya, Malaya or Sudan, and so were the British Army forces in the six counties of Northern Ireland.

Slanders and epithets are your usual substitutes for rational argument in situations in which it is all-too-evident that you have none. The shame is that instead of acknowledging the truth you resort to these rather unmanly distractions.

izzythepush
 
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Sun 24 May, 2015 11:10 am
@georgeob1,
Oh piss off, all this false morality has really worn a bit thin. You're an aristocrat born of privilege, and all your kind are interested in is defending that privilege.

You're very good at pontificating about the atrocities of absentee landlords in Ireland in the 19th Century, but very quiet when it comes to absentee American landlords in Honduras right now. The Irish, unlike the Hondurans, always had the option of emigrating to America or mainland Britain.

The Hondurans are virtual slaves of American companies Chiquita and Dole, and America even instigated a coup in 2009 to protect their privileges. Privileges that blood sucking aristocrats like you enjoy have always come at the cost of the working man.

Nothing slanderous about what I said, you've boasted of the exploits of your Nazi father, and your activities in the Vietnamese genocide.

You're the worst sort of hypocrite, attacking not just the British empire but the people of modern day Britain because you're an Anglophobic bigot. Then you cite the British Empire to excuse your own disgraceful record. (Yours, not America's, but yours.)

Morally you're no different from a guard at Auschwitz throwing children into the furnace, you just burned your children from the safe distance of a fighter jet. I guess that makes you worse than them, at least they were prepared to get their hands dirty.

Now **** off back to your sewer, I'm not wasting any more of my time talking to ****.
georgeob1
 
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Sun 24 May, 2015 11:23 am
@izzythepush,
Izzy is amazingly forgetful of the actions of the British Empire in attempting to sustain itself during the unlamented 20th century, but, at the same time intensely critical of the United States which found itself the dominant world power (but locked in a deadly struggle with the USSR) in its aftermath.

As for the rest I recall a phrase of wisdom from Naval Aviation (probably others too). It goes thusly .... "Don't get in a fight with a pig: you both get dirty, but the pig likes it." Izzy is the pig in this metaphor.
izzythepush
 
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Sun 24 May, 2015 11:37 am
Here and now, not the 19th Century, and America's bloody fingerprints are all over it. Don't make the mistake of thinking you can silence all media, the truth will out.

Quote:
The homicide rate in Honduras, already the highest in the world, increased by 50 percent from 2008 to 2011; political repression, the murder of opposition political candidates, peasant organizers and LGBT activists increased and continue to this day. Femicides skyrocketed. The violence and insecurity were exacerbated by a generalized institutional collapse. Drug-related violence has worsened amid allegations of rampant corruption in Honduras’ police and government. While the gangs are responsible for much of the violence, Honduran security forces have engaged in a wave of killings and other human rights crimes with impunity.

Despite this, however, both under Clinton and Kerry, the State Department’s response to the violence and military and police impunity has largely been silence, along with continued U.S. aid to Honduran security forces. In “Hard Choices,” Clinton describes her role in the aftermath of the coup that brought about this dire situation. Her firsthand account is significant both for the confession of an important truth and for a crucial false testimony.

First, the confession: Clinton admits that she used the power of her office to make sure that Zelaya would not return to office. “In the subsequent days [after the coup] I spoke with my counterparts around the hemisphere, including Secretary [Patricia] Espinosa in Mexico,” Clinton writes. “We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot.”

This may not come as a surprise to those who followed the post-coup drama closely. (See my commentary from 2009 on Washington’s role in helping the coup succeed here, here and here*.) But the official storyline, which was dutifully accepted by most in the media, was that the Obama administration actually opposed the coup and wanted Zelaya to return to office.


*See links below.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslatinamericaforeignpolicy.html

Quote:
Top Ten Ways You Can Tell Which Side The United States Government is On With Regard to the Military Coup in Honduras

http://cepr.net/publications/op-eds-columns/top-ten-ways


Quote:
The high-powered hidden support for Honduras' coup.
The country's rightful president was ousted by a military leadership that takes many of its cues from Washington insiders.


http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/23/opinion/oe-weisbrot23

Quote:
Seven Weeks After Honduran Coup, Washington Still Lagging the Region on Restoring Democracy


http://cepr.net/publications/op-eds-columns/seven-weeks-after-honduran-coup-washington-still-lagging-the-region-on-restoring-democracy
 

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