Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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May the best gene pool win.

-- Adolf Hitler

But, Americans, in my opinion, have the best gene pool, since we have incorporated the best genes of every nation. So, with short sightedness, it appears that one might not want to admit that the Israelis have a gene pool that has allowed them to survive four plus wars with Arab armies? No one is implying that Israelis are superior genetically, in context of a Gentile world, only that Israelis might have some quirks that allows them to fight an enemy better than the current adversaries can fight them. Those quirks could be genetic in nature. But, think about it. In every war, the best man does win, and it really comes down to not doing foolish things. Like saying the dog ate my homework, and then not ever being able to find a decent job. How much of that is genetic?

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@Foofie,

You should read Mein Kampf. I think you's find your guru.

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Last time I heard mention of the American gene pool was when George W Bush became president.

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@Ionus,

The fact is you are a lier just as Oralboy is. Have a nice day. I hope you dont strain your brain trying to think up new insults as to my intelligence.

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@Foofie,

Jews and Arabs share genes, Stanford research scientist says

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Jews and Arabs share genes, Stanford research scientist says

That doesn't make it OK for Palestinians to run around murdering people, or for you to spew vile lies to justify those murders.

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@oralloy,

The number of deaths are far greater on the Palestinian side. Go ahead, give a list of excuses for those deaths as though Palestinian or Arab deaths do not matter.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

The number of deaths are far greater on the Palestinian side.

Nonsense. The Palestinian death toll is fake.

revelette2 wrote:

Go ahead, give a list of excuses for those deaths as though Palestinian or Arab deaths do not matter.

Sure thing. Israel is engaged in legitimate self defense against an aggressor who refuses to make peace. Any and all fatalities are the sole fault and responsibility of the Palestinian aggressors.

Anything else?

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@RABEL222,

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The fact is you are a lier just as Oralboy is.

People of different opinion are liars . Did you read that somewhere or is it from your own brainstorming ?

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@revelette2,

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The number of deaths are far greater on the Palestinian side.

I would expect thyere to be a greater number of deaths on the side that doesnt respect life . How many instances are there of Arabs putting civilians in harms way ? Hardly the fault of the Arab leaders as they are sending their own people to heaven before they can commit sin and go to hell . The younger the death the better .

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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The fact is you are a lier just as Oralboy is.

People of different opinion are liars . Did you read that somewhere or is it from your own brainstorming ?

RABEL222 uses name-calling to cover up his inability to contribute anything worthwhile to a conversation.

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon decided Wednesday to suspend a program to separate Israeli and Palestinian bus travel in the West Bank.

The program, launched Tuesday, stipulated that Palestinian workers would have to return from Israel to the West Bank via the same checkpoint they left and will not be allowed to ride Israeli bus lines.

As part of the program - launched "This is another mistake by the prime minister, who… is giving in to a miserable decision that has nothing to do with the country's security," Herzog said, adding that such steps – which "cause unnecessary harm to Israel's image at such a sensitive time" – should have been avoided. "At this time, Israel needs cool-headed and responsible leadership, not haphazard, capitulating steps," he said.

Former Likud Minister of Interior Gideon Sa'ar also criticized the program. The decision, he said, "causes great harm to the settlement [enterprise] in Judea and Samaria and to Israel's image around the world. It cannot remain in place." Sa'ar added that "since it's obvious this decision will be canceled" the program should be promptly scrapped to "minimize the grave damage to Israel and to the settlements."

Zionist Union MK Shelly Yacimovich lashed out at what she called a "chilling" program: "There is no explanation that can erase the stain it casts on Israel," she said. "Dealing with security-related challenges is difficult, but such a blatant separation between Jews and Arabs is a violation of every international moral norm and will exact a heavy toll on Israel."

Meretz leader Zehava Galon said that Ya'alon "gave in to pressure exerted by Jewish settlers, who complained over the large number of Palestinians on the buses." Ethnic separation on buses, she said, is "unacceptable in a democratic country."

"This is what apartheid looks like," said Galon. "Separate bus lines for Palestinians and Jews prove that democracy and occupation cannot coexist."
On the other side of political spectrum, Habayit Hayehudi MK Moti Yogev – who also chairs the subcommittee on Judea and Samaria in the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee – welcomed the launch, saying it provides "better service and security to both populations."

Yogev said Wednesday that the previous decision to allow Palestinians laborers to ride the buses used by West Bank settlers "caused sexual harassment, theft and even feelings of insecurity," while the overcrowded buses made it impossible "for the elderly and the young [passengers] who require public transit." Yogev added that those who criticize the program "don't know the reality and their statements are "hypocritical, disingenuous and irresponsible."

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

You should read Mein Kampf. I think you's find your guru.

Are you misconstruing my belief that Israelis may just have a genetic advantage that America has, but America has that advantage from the genes of many nations. That is not what was said in Mein Kampf, I believe. I thought Nazis said that Germans (aka, Aryans) are inherently superior to all people. I am just saying that Israelis seem to be superior to Arabs in wartime. You discredit the role of genes in aptitudes? For example, our very intelligent German Shepherd is only a breed of dog from the 1890's, when a German aristocrat scoured German farms for intelligent and capable (mixed breed) dogs. He inbred the dogs found, and came up with the German Shepherd. So intelligent was this breed that in a short time that it was used on the battle fields of WWI to find soldiers that were wounded, but still alive. Rin Tin Tin is descended from this breeding effort.

So, since we give credence to inbred dogs having certain aptitudes, we seem to balk at the thought of humans not all being alike? Perhaps, it is due to the Nazi beliefs that were claiming to have superiority over all mankind? Notice that no one gets upset when each country has its peasants and aristocracy. But, God forbid any Jews should think they are more capable than any non-Jew, and a real offense is committed. That might just be part of the inherent anti-Semitism that is inherent in the collective Gentile (western) mind?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Amazing. There must be an office in the Israeli government -- well staffed no doubt -- that constantly scheme up plans to make the Palestinians' lives even more miserable. Just for the fun of humiliating them a little more...

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Jews and Arabs share genes, Stanford research scientist says

Quite true. However, the science that I read claims that while many Ashkenazi males have a Y chromosome from a middle eastern male, the X chromosome might have come from a native European woman. This was explained by the thought that early groups of Jewish males went into the hinterland (Europe) to set up a trading post (North Africa being the business and trading center of the day), and the younger males then married pagan maidens (aka, shiksas), and raised the children in the Jewish faith. So, perhaps the Jewish culture always emphasizing "marry intelligence," rather than the Gentile culture's emphasis on "marry brawn/looks" gave Jews intelligence from the "best and brightest" Gentiles?

Just because Jews and Arabs share DNA, one might want to also see who else Jews share DNA with? And, in the first millenium, there was supposedly a fair amount of intermarriage with Italians. In other words, Jews are quite the hybrid. However, forgetting DNA for a moment, it might just be culture that makes or breaks a population. Can you think of any self-defeating cultures? Can you think of any successful cultures?

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@Foofie,

So who's the new master race? The Americans or the Israelis?

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Amazing. There must be an office in the Israeli government -- well staffed no doubt -- that constantly scheme up plans to make the Palestinians' lives even more miserable. Just for the fun of humiliating them a little more...

You do not understand Jews to say the above, in my opinion. Jews get no "fun" out of humiliating anyone. That is a goyisha kup, as one says. I would guess that the segregation is similar to the early NYC subways at the turn of the 20th century that had cars for men and cars for women. Remember, Orthodox Jews do not co-mingle the sexes in many venues. Plus, some Jews like to take out a prayer book on a train or bus and use the travel time optimally. The presence of Muslims might hinder praying to the God of the Israelites? Apparently, the presence of Jews by mosques is anathema.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

So who's the new master race? The Americans or the Israelis?

You are showing your limited knowledge about Jews, in my opinion. Israel has a majority Sephardic Jewish population, while the movers and shakers are Ashkenazim. Similarly, in the U.S. most Jews are Ashkenazim (from Eastern Europe/Germany), and Sephardim are a minority, but very prolific in business. The Ashkenazim are known to be the scientists, doctors, professors, etc.

Anyway, in my opinion, America gets its superiority from a "MATRIX" of ethnicities, since the U.S. is "inclusive." And, some Israelis migrate elsewhere and add to the economies of other nations. Meaning, with time (centuries) Israel might just be similar to those nations that have a steady flow of migrants elsewhere.

I was only comparing Israelis and Arabs during wartime. You seem to be hung up on the word superiority.

So, even in wartime, the Israelis could be "average" fighters. However, could some Arab countries be "below average" fighters? So, superiority is just relative.

When you meet someone of below average intelligence, it would be fair to call you superior.

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@Foofie,

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I was only comparing Israelis and Arabs during wartime.

And what reasons do you have to ascribe the result of any war to genetics rather than say, weaponry, economics, culture, politics, alliances, luck, etc. etc.?

Let's see where that would lead us, if it was true... Historically, the Jews lost at least two major wars against the Romans, who themselves were ultimately defeated by German tribes. It follows from your argument that Germans are genetically above Italians, who are themselves above Jews. Therefore the Germans are genetically better than the Jews, right?

But there is no reason to ascribe military events to genetics. No reason at all, and to do so is inherently Nazi in that it interprets human events through a pure genetic lens, as if human beings were cows or dogs. That's what I've been alluding to in previous posts to you. Since you didn't get my more subtle messages, I'm left with having to state the glaringly obvious...

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@Foofie,

I am not interested in thinking of cultures who are better in war time. I would rather peace and prosperity be studied and realized for both sides.. However, given the unfair advantage Israel has over Palestine, it really don't take a study to figure out why Palestine comes up the looser all the time. It is not as though Israel came onto Israel like in times long ago and conquered the land of Canaan. They were given a country to live in and the US and other countries have helped them with weapons and such ever since while Palestinians and Arabs have been kept oppressed so that they cannot overwhelm Israel with their sheer numbers. It is way past time the other half of the UN Partition to take place and the Palestinians given a state full of their own rights and resources.

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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

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