Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Builder wrote:
The correct terminology (as I stated earlier) is apartheid.

Anti-Semitic hate terms are hardly "correct".

Why do you consider "apartheid" to be an anti-Semitic hate term?

Because it is being used to make a horrible false accusation against Jews.

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@oralloy,

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Because it is being used to make a horrible false accusation against Jews.

Not against Jews at all. It's against the actions of the Zionists.

You keep confusing the two, seemingly intentionally.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Because it is being used to make a horrible false accusation against Jews.

So what term do you use for that which is by all others called with the Africaans word "apartheid"?

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@korkamann,

The real elephant in the room, the one hiding in the background, is the Arms industry. They had a terrible peace scare when the Cold War ended and have been trying to make up ground ever since. All the billions of dollars of military aid go straight into their hands and the politicians they have in their pockets.

Not only do they have a guaranteed income, they have a place where their weapons can be tested in a combat situation. That's why the IDF constantly provokes Hamas into confrontation, it's so they can test out their new weapons and send the findings back to the manufacturers.

If those with a vested interest in death were taken out of the equation, Israel's support would collapse overnight.

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@Ionus,

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Cause and effect . USAins were sickoned by beheadings, bombings, hatred of women, traumatising children, burning men alive, etc...

Same with Arabs. They were sickened by US support to dictators and Israel, their bombings of Arabs, colonization, torture, extrajudicial killings, traumatizing children, burning men alive, etc... The two sides are equivalent. Bombing innocent people from a drone or a plane is not inherently different from cutting their throat.

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If Israel can oppose a Palestinian state, why can't Hamas oppose a Jewish state?

If there is one Israeli settler terrorist attack on civilians then your lot start a hue and cry but everyday Palestinians attack Israeli civilians and thats fine by your morals .

Answer the question: how is the current Israel govt any better than Hamas?

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@Builder,

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Did you read the link? Appears not.

Yes I read the study so appearances can be deceiving, it would appear . Universities and teachers in general have such a far left lean on them as to make the Tower of Pizza look plumb . Their solution to a problem ? Teach . Lucky they arent in Palestine, Hamas would have their nuts for being independent .

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@korkamann,

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I was doing that until I was dragged through the mud with smears of anti-Semitism and a refusal to discuss the issue.

None of the Israel supporters are remotely interested in discussing the here and now, and not one of them has the decency to treat the Palestinians like human beings. This needs to be borne in mind when debating with such creatures.

With respect ,you're a bit of a Johnny come lately regarding this thread, and don't know the full extent of what's gone on before.

And when you put the time and effort into finding relevant sources, suitable quotations, and so on you'll find they're just lazily dismissed with a single word response, and because you dared to mention it you're subject to all manner of insults.

It's hard to play the ball when the others don't even know there's a bloody ball, let alone how to play it.

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Beautiful post, Izzy.

Yes, beautiful !! Especially the part where you called us animals . However, I dont wish to get to know you personally Ms izzythepush (if that is your real name) so I have no need to tell you how lovely you are . Why did you deny you are a woman ?

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@Builder,

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The correct terminology (as I stated earlier) is apartheid. Labelling all Palestinians as Hamas supporters is akin to labelling all Americans as Bushites, or Koch heads. See what I'm saying?

No, that is an insult to those who suffered under apartheid . The Palestinians have their own Government . I dont think I have labelled all Palestinians as Hamas supporters...esp seeing those in the West Bank are not . Esp as there are those who have to support Hamas in the Gaza strip under the threat of a gun .

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@Builder,

I thought you didnt like Imperial Japan and agreed the right side won WW2 ?

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@Builder,

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Not against Jews at all. It's against the actions of the Zionists.

So you want to kill the Zionists but the non-Zionists, what do you want to do with them ?

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@Olivier5,

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Same with Arabs. They were sickened by US support to dictators and Israel, their bombings of Arabs, colonization, torture, extrajudicial killings, traumatizing children, burning men alive, etc... The two sides are equivalent. Bombing innocent people from a drone or a plane is not inherently different from cutting their throat.

I can see a difference when it is done to promote terror by live filming . I can see a difference when it is done to a captive .

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Answer the question: how is the current Israel govt any better than Hamas?

The Israeli Gov tries to minimise casualties . Hamas doesnt give a rats how many they kill . The more Jews the better . In a word, accountability .

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@izzythepush,

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The real elephant in the room, the one hiding in the background, is the Arms industry. They had a terrible peace scare when the Cold War ended and have been trying to make up ground ever since.

Agreed .

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they have a place where their weapons can be tested in a combat situation

Not even close . The Israeli Army has no USA weapons that need testing and increasingly has very USA weapons . The USA has just come out of almost continuous war for 25 years . What needs testing ?

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If those with a vested interest in death were taken out of the equation, Israel's support would collapse overnight.

I know this is something you cant get your head around, but there is a moral component of support for Israel .

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@oralloy,

Don't hold your breath.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Your religious mythologies and outright flights of fancy aren't historical facts, however.

I've not posted any religious mythologies or outright flights of fancy. All I've done is post science and history.

Your mythologies and outright flights of fancy are not science and history.

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@Ionus,

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I can see a difference when it is done to promote terror by live filming . I can see a difference when it is done to a captive .

You mean like they filmed Saddam's hanging or the captives in Guantanamo or Abu Ghaib being tortured? The way Israelis are filming and watching with glee the destruction meted to their neighbors on TV?

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The Israeli Gov tries to minimise casualties

Thanks for the laugh...

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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And so Zionism and the state of Israel are based on religious mythology.
Beats the hell out of states that were formed on the basis of the pointy end of a gun .

Ok.

Israel was formed on the basis of the pointy end of a gun.

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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Superlatives aside, so they have support in Palestine, so what?
I dont know how to point out the obvious when someone says 'Oh, yeah...so what ?'

What may seem obvious to you isn't to others. As a basic principle of secondary school writing composition, don't assume that those whom you are addresssing know what you are talking about.

Ionus wrote:

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their slaughter of Palestinians
So you think they line them up in a pen and then send them up a chute to the slaughter floor...no, thats the Jews you are thinking of .

No, they're kinder, gentler in their slaughtering, letting the Palestinians know they're going to bomb them minutes before they do so.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

No, they're kinder, gentler in their slaughtering, letting the Palestinians know they're going to bomb them minutes before they do so.

Precious few minutes at that. They showed footage on C4 of a Palestinian tower block being struck, first by a small bomb that was considered a warning. Then just two minutes later the whole block was destroyed. An able bodied man on the top floor, running full pelt down the stairs with no obstructions, like other people, would have been hard pressed to get out in time. A packed building like that,with old people, children and disabled people would have taken at least half an hour if not more to get them out to safety.

These phone calls and warning bombs are just a face saving measure so the IDF can claim they're not deliberately targeting and killing civilians, which is exactly what they are doing.

Fortunately because Palestine has joined the ICC, the IDF will find it a lot harder to excuse their war crimes. The ICC moves slowly, but it does move.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Technically speaking, Napalm-B isn't Napalm, so you're correct.

Well thank you for that affirmation (if that is what it really was) Walter. I'm glad to learn that you approve.

When did you become expert at air/ground munitions?

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

When did you become expert at air/ground munitions?

Not at all - and the other way around neither (I once nearly shot the Noratlas instead of the towed target)
But since I wanted to know in those good old days of anti-Vietnam-demonstrations what I demonstrated against, I read a bit. nnAnd I've met some A2K'ers, who knew even a bit more about it.

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