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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Ionus
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 04:49 am
@Builder,
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Actually, whether it's a nation, or an entire continent of people, the term is still pertinent.
Pigs arse . We have bushfires that have become fashionable to call firestorms by the press . Storms are mini cyclones and mini tornadoes . Car accidents are horrific . What will we call the extermination of an entire people like the Indians if fools over use the word Genocide ? What if a neighbourhood gets wiped out, is that genocide ?
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Today's conditions in the Gaza strip have been repeatedly referred to by any number of true journalist/correspondents as the largest open-air prison complex on the planet.
Good point . There is no such thing as a biased journalist . Never has, never will be . By any number do you mean you have no idea of the number ? It could be one ?
izzythepush
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 04:50 am
@Builder,
After a while it just gets on your bloody tits. I ignore all three of them, but just lob in the occasional remark about the character and history of those you're debating.

Note how you're getting nowhere with Oralboy right now. His mantra, and he will repeat it ad nauseam, regardless of how well researched your argument is, is that anyone who disagrees with him is either a self-hating Jew or an anti-Semite. He will denigrate Holocaust survivors, Israeli Human Rights Groups like B'Tselem, Israeli journalists who work for Haaretz, anyone, to assert how right he is. There are no depths to which he will not sink. And the good thing about repeating a mantra over and over again is it requires no research whatsoever.

You may have noticed the repetitive nature of his posts, he has about 10 pat responses which he just repeats in some form of another. Now you've spent two pages talking to him he will have exhausted his supply. You've gone as far as it's possible to go, all you can do now is go round and round with his circular arguments.
Ionus
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 04:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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I don't know that any of the concentration camp survivors called the attacks by the Israeli government a "Genocide". Nor do I know of any other Jewish organisation doing so.
Bloody hell . "I dont know", truer words were never spoken .
You lot are getting dumber . Read the following :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
Quote:
The Holocaust (from the Greek ὁλόκαυστος holókaustos: hólos, "whole" and kaustós, "burnt"),[2] also known as the Shoah (Hebrew: השואה, HaShoah, "the catastrophe"), was a genocide in which approximately six million Jews were killed by the Nazi regime and its collaborators.
Dont they cover that in German schools ?
Builder
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 04:54 am
@izzythepush,
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You may have noticed the repetitive nature of his posts, he has about 10 pat responses which he just repeats in some form of another. Now you've spent two pages talking to him he will have exhausted his supply. You've gone as far as it's possible to go, all you can do now is go round and round with his circular arguments.


Sounds like a PHPBB bot that we programmed about fifteen years ago.

The bot did actually learn from responses though.
izzythepush
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 04:55 am
@Builder,
That's the difference between a bot and Oralboy, the bot is capable of learning.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 04:56 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
As for Imperialist Japan, the only time anyone has used nukes against a civilian target (yes John, that's terrorism) was your admin.

You really don't know anything about history, do you? The A-bombs were dropped on military targets.
Ionus
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 04:57 am
@izzythepush,
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Bigots all, Nazis all,
Rolling Eyes Calling us Nazis ? From someone who hates Israel ? I think you will get banned when your learning moves onto "c". Do you even know what bigot means ?
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Ionus
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:00 am
@Builder,
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Discussing the personal bent/s of members postings without context is not conducive to fair debate.
This board is suffering from the common affliction of most online communities; that of "familiarity breeds contempt".
As they say in sporting circles; "Play the ball, rather than the player.".
I will have to step up my game and do that...your posts deserve better if that really is your attitude .
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Builder
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:02 am
@oralloy,
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The A-bombs were dropped on military targets.


The Atomic Bomb: Hiroshima and Nagasaki
The Bombings

On August 6, 1945, after 44 months of increasingly brutal fighting in the Pacific, an American B-29 bomber loaded with a devastating new weapon appeared in the sky over Hiroshima, Japan. Minutes later, that new weapon—a bomb that released its enormous destructive energy by splitting uranium atoms to create a chain reaction—detonated in the sky, killing some 70,000 Japanese civilians instantly and leveling the city. Three days later, the U.S. dropped a second atomic bomb over the city of Nagasaki, with similarly devastating results. The following week, Japan’s emperor addressed his country over the radio to announce the decision to surrender. World War II had finally come to its dramatic conclusion.

http://teachinghistory.org/history-content/beyond-the-textbook/25484
Ionus
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:04 am
@izzythepush,
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you're subject to all manner of insults.
You are pleading poor ? Really ?
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not one of them has the decency to treat the Palestinians like human beings. This needs to be borne in mind when debating with such creatures.
So we are animals for daring to contradict the mighty you and your opinion . How many lives has our contradicting you cost ? How many lives has supporting the Palestinian homeland cost ?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:12 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
Quote:
I don't know that any of the concentration camp survivors called the attacks by the Israeli government a "Genocide". Nor do I know of any other Jewish organisation doing so.
Bloody hell . "I dont know", truer words were never spoken .
You lot are getting dumber . Read the following :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
That Wikipedia report doesn't have a single word that one or more concentration camp survivors called the attacks by the Israeli government a "Genocide".

Ionus wrote:
[Dont they cover that in German schools ?.
I have nor idea, how the Israeli attacks on Palestine are covered in German schools today.
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Ionus
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:14 am
@Builder,
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Not surprised that you missed this on your news feed.
There is a saying that is hundreds of uears old...dont believe everything you read . You sound gullible . Try to stick to peer reviewed material .
korkamann
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:19 am
@izzythepush,
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I was doing that until I was dragged through the mud with smears of anti-Semitism and a refusal to discuss the issue.

None of the Israel supporters are remotely interested in discussing the here and now, and not one of them has the decency to treat the Palestinians like human beings. This needs to be borne in mind when debating with such creatures.

With respect ,you're a bit of a Johnny come lately regarding this thread, and don't know the full extent of what's gone on before.

And when you put the time and effort into finding relevant sources, suitable quotations, and so on you'll find they're just lazily dismissed with a single word response, and because you dared to mention it you're subject to all manner of insults.

It's hard to play the ball when the others don't even know there's a bloody ball, let alone how to play it.


Beautiful post, Izzy. I am one who appreciate your posts on this subject. I am not always on this board because of another one I'm now quite involved in, but when it comes to the Middle East conflict, Israel vs Palestinians, you appear to be quite alert. I, too, became frustrated, realizing this is not the board where the truth may be posted because it will go unnoticed or one is attacked as being anti--Semitic. Such words do not really effect me because the term has become overused by fanatics who're stuck in a world of artificial reality.

One of the reasons the Congress appear so pro-Israel despite the Zionist nation's miserable policies concerning the Palestinians, is because each one or nearly most on both sides, Republican and Democrat, are richly bought. The person who spearheaded the letter from 47 congressmen, Tom Cotton, first year Tea Party senator, to the Ayatollah was given $1 million dollars by the Karl Rove group. The New Jersey senator, Robert Menedez, was just indicted on corruption charges, and was a sharp critic of the Obama's ME policy and an outspoken defender of Israel's calling for harsher sanctions on Iran; he too was also bought handsomely by his rich Jewish friend for two decades, Solamon Melger, who was also indicted.

America might appear to be Israel's "lapdog" (certainly acts like it) but Israel (via AIPAC) pays handsomely for almost each and every congressman. Why else would they appear to be so united with Israel and seemingly more concerned with a foreign nation's problem as opposed to those of their own country, America, and would willingly go to war against Iran if President Obama were not in the White House.

BTW, Netanyahu is DEMANDING that the US and its allies force Iran to recognize Israel! LOL! Right now, it seems there are more important issues at stake than trying to pressure the Iranians into making a statement like that.

At any rate, thank you very much for your insightful post.
Builder
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:20 am
@Ionus,
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Good point . There is no such thing as a biased journalist . Never has, never will be . By any number do you mean you have no idea of the number ? It could be one ?


It could also be many. The article I referenced was the words of then British prime minister Cameron, and his description of conditions in Gaza, and his call to end the Israeli sanctions. Try and keep up, cousin.

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Pigs arse . We have bushfires that have become fashionable to call firestorms by the press . Storms are mini cyclones and mini tornadoes . Car accidents are horrific . What will we call the extermination of an entire people like the Indians if fools over use the word Genocide ? What if a neighbourhood gets wiped out, is that genocide ?


Over-use of any term is not good. I agree on that issue. The correct terminology (as I stated earlier) is apartheid. Labelling all Palestinians as Hamas supporters is akin to labelling all Americans as Bushites, or Koch heads. See what I'm saying?

Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:21 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
Wow ! That explains why you got it wrong . Is it in English ?
There's a Hebrew version of it as well. But since you wrote that you can't read Hebrew, you can stick on the English version.
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Builder
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:35 am
@Ionus,
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There is a saying that is hundreds of uears old...dont believe everything you read . You sound gullible . Try to stick to peer reviewed material .


Did you read the link? Appears not.

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The peer-reviewed study, which will be taught at these universities in September, says: "The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence."
oralloy
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:36 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
The Atomic Bomb: Hiroshima and Nagasaki
The Bombings

On August 6, 1945, after 44 months of increasingly brutal fighting in the Pacific, an American B-29 bomber loaded with a devastating new weapon appeared in the sky over Hiroshima, Japan. Minutes later, that new weapon—a bomb that released its enormous destructive energy by splitting uranium atoms to create a chain reaction—detonated in the sky, killing some 70,000 Japanese civilians instantly and leveling the city. Three days later, the U.S. dropped a second atomic bomb over the city of Nagasaki, with similarly devastating results. The following week, Japan’s emperor addressed his country over the radio to announce the decision to surrender. World War II had finally come to its dramatic conclusion.

http://teachinghistory.org/history-content/beyond-the-textbook/25484

Interesting beginner text. It still doesn't change the reality that the A-bombs were dropped on military targets.
oralloy
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:37 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
The correct terminology (as I stated earlier) is apartheid.

Anti-Semitic hate terms are hardly "correct".
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:38 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Builder wrote:
The correct terminology (as I stated earlier) is apartheid.

Anti-Semitic hate terms are hardly "correct".
Why do you consider "apartheid" to be an anti-Semitic hate term?
Builder
 
  1  
Thu 2 Apr, 2015 05:42 am
@oralloy,
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It still doesn't change the reality that the A-bombs were dropped on military targets.


You need proof. This is an adult debate site, right?

I offered you proof that both Nagasaki and Hiroshima were civilian targets.

Evidence to back my claim are within the link posted with my response.

Where is your evidence?
 

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