Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

This study reveals that U.S. military forces were directly responsible for about 10 to 15 million deaths during the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the two Iraq Wars. The Korean War also includes Chinese deaths while the Vietnam War also includes fatalities in Cambodia and Laos.

The American public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible. In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor, Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan.

But the victims are not just from big nations or one part of the world. The remaining deaths were in smaller ones which constitute over half the total number of nations. Virtually all parts of the world have been the target of U.S. intervention.

The overall conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.

But of course, "who the rightful owners are" is not an easy thing to determine...and is currently a huge bone of contention between many disparate parties. My concern is not whether or not you are of that opinion, Oralloy...but how you reasonably arrive at it.

Whether or not the Jews were treated as "third-class citizens at best" whatever that is supposed to mean) is incidental. The area WAS relatively peaceful between the parties.

You are not "disputing" that...you are simply introducing a red herring...a gratuitous red herring, at that.

Fact is, the two occasions where Jews were treated relatively kindly by non-Jew neighbors both occurred with Muslims being the neighbors. One was the situation with Jews and Muslims in that area living in relative peace and fraternity for thousands of years...and the other being in Muslim occupied southern Spain for almost a thousand years.

With today's technology and smart phones giving you facts from every side of an aspect, new generations of the Jewish population are finding out that their "holocaust" (gas chambers, burning people alive, and similar) wasn't true.

Forget the thousands of years of history, because if the native people of Hawaii start to claim their islands in base of thousands of years of history, then the US will be in trouble.

If Americans were to really try and understand Israel and the middle east many will see that Israel's enemies view America as their enemy and the US will for the foreseeable future be a target while Israel continues to steal Palestinian land and corrupt our congress.

"Character?" What character? Don't you mean buffoon?

When the state split into two, the northern one was Israel and was to turn into Samaria . The southern one was Judea and was more fundamentalist . They survived the Babylon invasion a little longer than Israel . When the Jews returned from exile, they settled in the south whilst the north kept the foreigners that had been forced to move in . Judea comes from Judah who was the name of one of the sons of Jacob and thus founder of one of the 12 tribes of Israel . Judah gives us Jude who was a brother of Jesus , which in turn gave us Jude in some languages and Jew in English .

When the decision to name the new Jewish state was made, it was decided to call it Israel after the new name given to Jacob when he was told he will found a nation .

The word Israelites is now obvious in meaning . Hebrew came from the first know text of the tribe, ibri, which scholars believe was the early Israelites .

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You don't know the difference between Israel and a Jew.

Are you sure ?

The Palestinians are NOT a race of people distinct by language, religion, culture or any other measure . They are the same people as in Jordan and Lebanon .

I could have called this sociopathic personality

as having a personality disorder etc

In order to raise money for the Contras Oliver North and some others sold drugs to the inner city.

Reagan, before his election, made a deal with the Iranians to continue holding the 52 American hostages until after he had won the election.

Technically speaking, Napalm-B isn't Napalm, so you're correct.

And so Zionism and the state of Israel are based on religious mythology.

If you want to get pedantic about the history of these people, we'll settle for apartheid, shall we?

They are both Semitic in origin.

I am waiting for people to realise that the terrorists of 9/11 and all the Islamist attacks we experienced before and since have the greatest support in Palestine, another Muslim people .

They have as a basic clause in their charter to eliminate Israel .

What would they be capable of if they had their own country ?

Would the USA have to cruise bomb their terrorists and training camps ?

Israel is there and aint goin' nowheres .

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And so Zionism and the state of Israel are based on religious mythology.

Your dislike of historical facts does not make them religious mythology.

Regimes, however, are transitory entities and the Israeli one has its days numbered as well.

Your religious mythologies and outright flights of fancy aren't historical facts, however.

Jews and non-Jews got along relatively peacefully for thousands of years before the conception and creation of the state of Israel. From that point on...the problems began.

If so many Americans rejoice when Arabs get bombed, why can't many Arabs rejoice when Americans get bombed?

If Israel can oppose a Palestinian state, why can't Hamas oppose a Jewish state?