Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

who pays, and will they become citizens of what ever state they are sent to?

The original Palestinians as far as the Western Press is concerned was the Jews living in the area, the other occupants were Arabs . There was a quick change of names with the birth of Israel, the Arabs became Palestinians and the Jews became Israelis . Palestine has only existed as a separate identity since just after WW1 when the British created them, though Palestine also included what we now call Jordan . The Arabs called it Southern Syria . The Romans called it Palaestina to delete any Jewish ownership . Why the British chose that name.....

who pays,

In the 19th Century it was an Ottoman province and I havent been able to find any reference to Palestine [...] The Jews referred to it as Zion . ...

I can not imagine a scenario where the Palestinians are given their own state and the situation between them and Israel does not continue on ad nauseum .

How can anyone suggest that the problem is not primarily the result of the state of Israel being set up there?

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How can anyone suggest that the problem is not primarily the result of the state of Israel being set up there?

With relative ease...that was the problem in 1948 . What is the problem in 2015 ?

I think you are saying the Jews called it Palestine in 1695, but how do we know that is not a modern translation and they called it Palestine in the translation ?

This is a forum, Walt, feel free to expand on what you found . Dont leave people guessing just because you think you have found damning evidence and we all speak German and Hebrew .

What is your point ?

"We" would know it, if "we" looked at other sources referring to it.

Or trust the translation from older Jewish sources.

I'm a member of it since quite some time.

Not all Jews spoke English in the past. Especially not those, who colonised "Palästina" [English: Palestine] in the late 19th and early 20th century.

I still think that it's better to look at and post the original sources than some English translations.

The state of Israel in that area...IS the problem.

A one state solution that requires that it not be a Jewish state MIGHT work.

A no state solution that allow the area to be open to all MIGHT also.

And the entity known as "the state of Israel" can, somehow, be set up somewhere else...preferably within the continental United States.

But the whole purpose was to create a Jewish state .

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The state of Israel in that area...IS the problem.

No .

Now the problem is the Palestinian people in the Occupied Territories . I have defined the problem as one that may have a solution . The state of Israel is going no where . If that truly is the problem then we are screwed .

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A one state solution that requires that it not be a Jewish state MIGHT work.

But the whole purpose was to create a Jewish state .

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A no state solution that allow the area to be open to all MIGHT also.

I see that as angering both sides .

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And the entity known as "the state of Israel" can, somehow, be set up somewhere else...preferably within the continental United States.

The only thing needed was to start moving Jews into West Tasmania but WW2 interrupted . Now it is a wilderness preserve . Rhodesia was very close but it depended on the Trans-African railway which never got very far at all . Pity, because the Africans near the Zimbabwe ruins (which were built by Jewish Priests) are Jewish . You already have a million Jews in the USA, where do you plan on putting another state without civil war breaking out again ?