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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
gungasnake
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 08:59 am
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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?


Amazing, I mean, I couldn't say anything like that and keep my face straight. Maybe some of the people putting this **** out are taking some sort of face-straight-while-mouthing-bullshit pills or something.

The real question is, Can you look at THIS map and say I-Slam does not systemically appropriate land?

http://www.vestedowl.com/muslim-world-large.jpg


Israel of course is the minuscule sliver of land on the Eastern edge of the med which you all but need a magnifying glass to find on the real map.
JTT
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 12:53 pm
@gungasnake,
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I couldn't say anything like that and keep my face straight.


That's an interesting question, Gunga. I'd be interested in how this all developed.

Another important question that you somehow failed to mention, is,

Does the USA systematically appropriate land?

It's certainly has done its fair share, stealing land from Mexico and of course, originally from the British.

But the US has found a "better" way, one that doesn't entail having to govern and look after these lands. They simply invade and crush the natives, with incredible acts of brutality, install a brutal right wing dictator, ensure that monopolies are granted to US businesses, then continually suck the wealth of said country and move on to the next conquest.
rabel22
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 01:51 pm
@JTT,
Weve got all this military hardware and we have to do something with it. why not conquer the world the way the british did.
talk72000
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 01:56 pm
@Advocate,
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Could you give us some proof?


You are one of the Jews that advocated Healthcare that sidetracked Obama.

Read the following:
http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/real_freedom/Propaganda/employer_of_the_dancing_israelis.htm
JTT
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 02:03 pm
@rabel22,
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Weve got all this military hardware and we have to do something with it. why not conquer the world the way the british did.


Obviously, you're not following the official story, Rabel. Smile

The official story:
The USA invades all these countries to evict brutal left wing dictators, thereby saving the citizens of those countries for democracy.
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JTT
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 02:10 pm
@talk72000,
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You are one of the Jews that advocated Healthcare that sidetracked Obama.


My first reaction, I haven't read the link yet, is "Huh!!!??? What the ****?

My feeling is that whoever wrote this, still haven't checked the link, has quite an uphill battle if the material's aim is to provide support for the idea that Healthcare sidetracked Obama.

That hill will be steepened dramatically if it suggests that Advocate was one of the instigators of said issue.

We'll see, I guess.

talk72000
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 02:18 pm
@JTT,
He started promoting Healthcare in A2K. Healthcare is too complicated for the political punch Democrats had - just a mere majority. It would include insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, big farm factories with the use of anti-biotics, hormones, genetically modified foods, etc. It sapped all the polical capital of Democrats. The beasts were too many and large.

http://able2know.org/topic/89938-1

All I am interested is that Israel and the Arabs live peacefully and not be tricked into joining either of their holy terror campaigns or war or Zionists inducing America and the world to attack Muslim countries.
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Setanta
 
  0  
Thu 2 Dec, 2010 02:22 pm
@rabel22,
If you actually believe that the British conquered the world, i have a wonderful bridge i could sell you. You'd make a mint! No checks, cash only.
talk72000
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 02:33 pm
And don't pick our pockets with Wall Street tricks.

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In mid June 2001, Dominic Suter, an Israeli businessman received a Small Business Loan for nearly half a million dollars. In July Larry Silverstein, signed a 99 year lease for the World Trade Center and insured it for $3.5 billion dollars against a terrorist attack.

On September 10, 2001, the Army School of Advanced Military Studies issued a report written by elite US army officers, which was made public just prior to 9/11. The report gave the following description for the Mossad: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." [Washington Times, 9/10/01]

On Friday, September 14, 2001, Fox News reported, "The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards." - FOX." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34250,00.html

ABC reported on the news journal, 20/20 :

Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers. She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know. They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.

[ ... ]

The men ranged in age from 22 to 27. The driver was Sivan Kurzberg. The other passengers included his brother, Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari. The men, who all said they worked for Urban Moving, were taken to this new Jersey State Police Station and questioned by the FBI].

ABC News has learned that after the five men were taken to jail, the entire case was transferred out of FBI's criminal division and into its foreign counterintelligence section, which is responsible for espionage cases. One reason for the shift, according to our sources, is that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have provided a cover for agents of Israeli intelligence. Urban Moving is owned by Dominic Suter, an Israeli businessman. After the five men were arrested in one of his vans, the FBI got a warrant and searched the company's offices.

[ ... ]

Dominic Suter's attorney confirms that the FBI removed boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives from Urban Moving. He insists his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But a few days later, when the FBI wanted to interview Mr. Suter again, he was gone.

Our 20/20 cameras took these pictures inside Urban Moving some three months later. And as you can see, it looked like Suter shut down the business in a big hurry. Cell phones and personal effects were lying around Suter's office, the phones were still connected with hundreds of messages waiting. There were job applications to be processed, and the property of dozens of families packed in the warehouse. Dominic Suter's company closed down in such a hurry, some of their customers, like Frank Crisp, were left hanging.

[ ... ]

Dominic Suter cleared out of his New Jersey home, too, and he'd put it up for sale. Suter and his family had returned to Israel. We called him there, but he refused to talk to us about Urban Moving.

[ ... ]

Sources tell 20/20 the FBI developed film from a camera taken from the Israelis, and that it shows the three on top of the white van were smiling and appeared to be clowning around. The five Israelis were held at this federal jail for allegedly overstaying their visas.

Interviewed in Israel by ABC 20/20's John Miller:

Although Paul and Sivan would not talk with us about the incident, Sivan and two of the other detainees did go on an Israeli talk show after their return. Oded Ellner denied they were laughing or happy that today.

Mr. ODED ELLNER: (Through translator, from Israeli talk show) Nothing of the kind, the fact of the matter is, we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.

ABC source



http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/real_freedom/Propaganda/employer_of_the_dancing_israelis.htm
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talk72000
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 03:29 pm
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"Top Russian Mafiosi from Russia, Europe, and the United States, convened in Israel three times between 1993 and
1994 to decide upon their investment policies and to settle disputes."
-- Alan Block, 1996, p. 33]

"The element of trust is vital in the diamond trade, and religious orthodoxy, curiously enough, is often regarded as the ultimate guarantee of a Jew's honesty."
-- Howard Sachar, 1985, p. 47]

"The Prohibition Act of 1920 allowed every American family up to ten
gallons of wine annually for religious or 'sacramental' purposes. Jews
used wine in the synagogue and at home for celebrating the Sabbath
and Jewish festivals. According to the law, members of the clergy could request allotments of wine for their congregants. A number of local rabbis exploited the sacramental wine privilege and supplemented their meager incomes by producing wine in their cellars and bathtubs for sale in the marketplace."
--Robert Rockaway, 2001, p. 113-


"I can't believe it. A rabbi stole my money. A rabbi stole my money."

-- comments of prominent Jewish American mobster Joseph
"Doc" Stacher, arrested over the years for "atrocious assault
and battery, robbery, burglary, larceny, bootlegging, hijacking
and murder," then an Israeli citizen after being deported from
America in 1965. These comments were made upon winning a
lawsuit after being swindled by Rabbi Menachem Porush of the
ultra-Orthodox Agudat Israel Party. [ROCKAWAY, R., 1993,
p. 116-117)


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DRUGS AND DRUG MONEY LAUNDERING WITHIN JEWISH NETWORKS: THE ‘RUSSIAN MAFIA,' 'ULTRA-ORTHODOX' CORRUPTION,
AND OTHER CRIMINALS



Jews in America have been prominent in the narcotics underworld since the early twentieth century. As Rich Cohen notes:

"The first major American drug dealer was probably Arnold Rothstein
... [COHEN, R., 1999, p. 131] ... In the mid-nineteenth century, when
the government started to ban certain narcotics, drugs were smuggled
in from Europe and the Far East. But it was a slapdash affair -- not a
business. Rothstein changed all that. He saw Repeal coming and knew
drugs could fill the void left by alcohol ... So in the late [19] twenties
Rothstein retooled a mechanism he had built to carry booze. It would
now carry, among other things, heroin and cocaine ... [It became] a
blueprint for smuggling drugs into America." [COHEN, R., p. 132]

"By 1926," notes Israeli scholar Robert Rockaway,

"[Rothstein] was allegedly the overlord of the foreign narcotics trade
in America. Beginning with Rothstein, American Jewish underworld
figures became prominently involved in smuggling and distributing
opium and opiates in the United States. During the 1920s and 1930s
Jews competed with Italians for dominance of the trade. The Italian-
American's racketeering predominated during World War II. This
was because of the Nazis. When the Germans began to exterminate
European Jewry, they also destroyed the Jewish criminals who
supplied American distributors." [ROCKAWAY, R., 1993, p. 8]

Rothstein's right-hand man was Louis Lepke, who took over the drug empire when his boss died in 1928. In the 1930s associate Yasha Katzenberg journeyed to Shanghai, China, contacted underworld figures there, and "taught them how to make heroin." "In the last thirties," says Cohen, "when officials at last figured out what Katzenberg was up to, the League of Nations declared him an international menace. A few years later Yasha was indicted, along with Lepke and twenty-eight others, for violation of narcotics laws." [COHEN, R., p. 133-134] In the late 1940s, there were still "dozens of Jewish drug dealers roaming New York City, the remnants of Rothstein's machine." [COHEN, p. 139] Particularly noteworthy were Solly Gelb, Solly Gordon, Tudi Schoenfeld, Artie West, Niggy Rutkin, Harry Koch, Sam Haas, Moe Taubman and Harry Hechinger. Tolly Greenberg even invented a machine to turn liquid heroin into pill form. [COHEN, p. 139-140] Harry Strauss, "Philadelphia's gambling czar," later became involved in smuggling "heroin into the United States from France. He reportedly earned $20 million a year from the trade." [ROCKAWAY, R., 1993, p. 33-34]

An important foundation of the old opium trade was the Jewish Sassoon family (of which famous hair mogul Vidal Sassoon is an heir):

"The legend of the Jewish clan can be traced back to David Sassoon (1792-
1864). Born into a Sephardic Jewish family in Baghdad, Iraq, David Sassoon
set up the Sassoon company in Bombay, India, in 1833. In 1844, he set up a
branch in Hong Kong, and a year later, he set up his Shanghai branch on the
Bund to cash in on the opium trade. At that time, about one-fifth of all opium
brought into China was shipped on the Sassoon fleet. They brought China
opium and British textiles and took away silk, tea and silver." [SHANGHAI STAR,
5-10-01]


Today's drug dealing is probably the world's most profitable crime; profit margins can range from 200% for cocaine to 1,200% for heroin. The Colombian international drug cartel, "Kali," which monopolizes the trade in Los Angeles and Miami, is estimated to distribute over 80% of the world's cocaine and a third of its heroin. Illegal drug syndicates are estimated to take in about $25 billion a year in the United States alone. In 1998, 59 tons of cocaine and 770 pounds of heroin were confiscated by American police authorities.

Little known -- and little publicized -- in America, in recent years the Jewish "Russian mafia," and Orthodox religious and Israeli business networks with deep links to drug cartels, have been instrumental in maintaining the United States drug problem. Many of these criminals are particularly pious Jews, and a number of Orthodox Jewish religious institutions have been used for the laundering of literally hundreds of millions of dollars in drug money in (particularly) New York City. (Money laundering here refers to the task of getting huge sums of money that were paid for drugs, originally in small bills, into a form of assets that has the appearance of legality.) In 1994 Israeli journalist Ben Kapit exposed this story of Jewish culpability and corruption in America's growing drug problem; he wrote in Hebrew, to an Israeli audience, in the newspaper Ma'ariv.

American Jews and Israelis dominate the jewelry and precious stones and metals trade in Manhattan, mostly located in the 47th Street area. "75-80% of the active traders on the street are Jews," said Kapit, "A large part of them are very pious Orthodox Jews, mainly Hassids. There is also a respectable representation of Jews from Iran and Syria, usually also very pious ... the place is also the biggest launderer for drug money in the United States." [KAPIT, p. 2]

Daily transactions of huge sums of money -- including interstate and international -- is part of the diamond business (as is backroom secrecy, based on "personal acquaintance and trust," [KAPIT, p. 2]; boxes, large packages, and armored trucks come and go regularly under heavy security. All this provides a convenient front for the laundering of massive amounts of drug money, most of it in $10 and $20 bills. "One of the most popularly successful ways to launder money," notes Kapit, "is through Jewish religious institutions, such as yeshivas and synagogues. Since the majority of the 47th Street gold and diamond merchants are religious Jews, the process is made easier." [KAPIT, p. 4]

"Today," noted Newsweek in 1977, "the Japanese give diamond engagement rings nearly as often as American, and wealthy Arabs who once eschewed diamonds for the more colorful stones, have become insatiable diamond buyers ... Little wonder, then, that tampering robberies and even murders have come to haunt the business, not only along West 47th Street in New York -- where the mostly Jewish dealers see an 'Israeli mafia' behind the murder last month of one of their numbers -- but the world's other diamond centers as well." [ATLAS, p. 95] "The robberies that plague the diamond districts of New York and Tel Aviv," notes David Koskoff, "are almost always perpetrated by people from within the diamond community." [KOSKOFF, p. 191] In 1990, the Jerusalem Post, paraphrasing the Los Angeles County Sheriff, Sherman Block (also Jewish), noted that "Los Angeles' small but potent 'Israeli mafia’ has spread across America, graduating in the last two decades from extorting poor Jews -- often concentration camp survivors -- to major drug-dealing and fraud schemes against the rich ... Cocaine is the favored product of the mafia's drug dealing, and their clients tend to be affluent people who demand the highest quality." [DERFNER, 9-9-90, ONLINE]

U.S. Federal agents have identified, says Kapit, what it calls "the Cocaine Triangle. Its sides are: Colombian drug barons, Israeli-Jewish money launderers, and Jewish-Russian mafiosos ... You need only look at the list of arrests and indictments of the past three years in order to grasp the enormous scope of Israeli involvement in the field." [KAPIT, p. 3] There are numerous murky criminal interfaces between these Israeli drug dealers, the so-called "Russian" mafia, and some of the most pious Jewish Orthodox religious circles. The link between Israeli weapons dealing and South American underworld organizations is also deep. In 1988, for example, an Israeli paramilitary training company called "Spearhead," directed by a former senior army officer, Yair Klein, was hired to train members of a drug cartel in Colombia. Klein was eventually fined all of $13,000 by Israeli authorities for "exporting defense know-how not covered in his permit." [HIRSCHBERG, p. 13] In 1990 the Jewish Week reported that "three United States officials were in Israel ... investigating possible Israeli connections to the Colombian drug cartel" and that earlier NBC had reported that "Israeli reserve officers.... [were providing] military training to drug-cartel gunmen." [GOLBERG, A, p. 51]

An associate of Klein, Israeli Arik Afek, known publicly as a "flower importer," was found dead in the trunk of a car at the Miami airport in 1990. The Washington Post noted that

"Afek's name first surfaced last summer when NBC News broadcast film
allegedly showing foreign mercenaries training Medellin cartel gunmen in
ambush assassinations and other paramilitary activities." [ISIKOFF, p.
A14]

Still, in May 2000, Colombian authorities busted four Israelis and one Colombian citizen in an "arms trafficking ring" that sought to funnel weapons into the country. [XINHUA GENERAL NEWS SERVICE, 5-27-2000] Itzik Richter, Ofer Zismanovich, David Birnbaum and Yaron Cohen with known links to the Cali drug cartel, were arrested, also on charges of a scheme to counterfeit dollars. A few weeks earlier another Israeli, Amos Shimoni, had been arrested in Panama on similar charges. [KRAU, 5-29-2000]

"Among the recent items of news that failed to make more than passing mention," noted R. T. Naylor in 1989, "... is the scandal over the chummy relations senior members of Israel's military maintain with both the Colombian cocaine barons and their Panamanian affiliate, General Manual Noreiga." [TAYLOR, p. 136] Noreiga's alleged "right hand man" was a Mossad agent, Mikhail Harari. In 1988 the Jewish Week reported that "[U.S.] Senate investigations have turned up information linking Panama's recently indicted military strongman, General Manuel Antonio Noreiga, to the Mossad, Israel's external intelligence agency." [WAGMAN, p. 5] Jose I. Blandon, a former influential Noreiga adviser and Panamanian counsel in New York, told Congress that Michael Harrari, "described as a former Israeli army general who later worked for Mossad," lived in close contact with Noreiga for 5-7 years and trained "Noreiga's private guard -- a unit separate from the Panamanian army. Guard officers report to Noreiga through Harari." [WAGMAN, p. 5] Brandon also noted that "Harrari often acts as a middleman in weapons purchases that Noreiga makes in Europe," and that "when Noreiga travels in Europe, Harari arranges for his protection by Israeli military intelligence and Mossad personnel." "Investigators believe Panama," reported the Jewish Week, "a kind of Switzerland of the Caribbean, has become a center of Israeli financial dealings and for so-called front companies -- corporate shells operating for secret owners, in this case the Israeli government. Investigators believe another of Harari's functions is to oversee bank accounts and shell companies ... Panama [functions] ... as a haven for shadowy financial transactions." [WAGMAN, p. 5] Secret reports were also in Noreiga's possession of various United States politicians, from Senators Edward Kennedy to Jesse Helms; "Some [Senate investigators] speculate," said the Jewish Week, "the files may have come to Noreiga through Harari." [WAGMAN, p. 5]

In 1985, Israeli Shmuel Targan, who used a fake shoe store in New York City as the front for his drug operation, was arrested for cocaine and heroin smuggling. Rudolph Giuliani, then the U.S. District Attorney for Southern New York, noted that Taragan's store "was one of a 100 Israeli-operated legitimate businesses in the city that disguised illegal operations." [FISHER, A.] In 1986 five Israelis were arrested in New York for a million-dollar-a-week heroin and cocaine operation. In 1988 five more Israelis were busted in Boston for drug running by the FBI. Also in 1988, in Los Angeles, Israelis Abraham Zarchia and Yitzhak Edvi received ten year prison sentences for drug trafficking -- $22 million over a five month period. [HUNTER, LINK, p. 4, 6, 7]

In 1985, Max Mermelstein, described by his lawyer as "just a nice Jewish guy who got into the wrong industry," [MURPHY, pt. 1, p. 3] became a government witness against a number of former accomplices in Colombia's international Medellin drug cartel. Over seven years, Mermelstein was himself responsible for the smuggling of 55 tons of cocaine, worth $360 million, into the United States. (Curiously, the town of Medellin was actually founded by Spanish Jews in 1616).

Elsewhere, a pioneer in the laundering of Colombian drug money (particularly that from marijuana and cocaine) was Isaac Kattan-Kassin, son of a Sephardic Jewish family that had fled Hitler's Germany in the 1930s. In the late 1970s, over $100 million a year of the tainted bills passed through his family's currency exchange business in Cali, Colombia, although Kattan established business offices in New York and Miami, where he spent most of his time. In 1977, he "went to work full time for several cocaine organizations" [POWIS, p. 34] and he eventually became known as "the most famous of the money launderers of this period." [POWIS, p. 32] Another prominent drug money launderer in this era was Beno Ghitis, who also headed a Colombian currency exchange business founded by his father, Alter. Victor Eisenstein was also a crucial partner in the drug money ring, and Abel Holtz, president of Capital Bank in Miami, was a participant as the American depository. [POWIS, p. 74]


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In 2001, "two executives from a World Trade Center brokerage have been charged with plotting to steal $100 million from investors -- a theft discovered days after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." Indicted were Andre Koudachev (Jewish?), owner of First Equity Enterprises, and Gary Farberov (Jewish), former First Equity president. [GUARDIAN, 11-20-01]


http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/23drug.htm
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JTT
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 03:32 pm
@Setanta,
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If you actually believe that the British conquered the world, i have a wonderful bridge i could sell you. You'd make a mint! No checks, cash only.


You're being disingenuous but what's new, eh, Set?

Or you are trying to establish an in to launch a new history moment. I can't speak for Rabel, but my guess is that he'd probably concede your point rather than having to sit through another one of your accounts of "history" .
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talk72000
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 03:43 pm
The above just shows the Hebrew bandit roots.
gungasnake
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 09:16 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
It's certainly has done its fair share, stealing land from Mexico and of course, originally from the British.


Say WHAT?? You're claiming that we STOLE the territory of the U.S. from England???

I mean, reefer isn't good enough for **** like that, you doing LSD or what exactly??



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rabel22
 
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Fri 3 Dec, 2010 01:17 am
@Setanta,
JTT seems to think thats what were doing.
Setanta
 
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Fri 3 Dec, 2010 02:29 am
@rabel22,
I do not read what JTT posts, so that means nothing to me. I have read what you posted, and it is hogwash.
Ionus
 
  1  
Fri 3 Dec, 2010 04:10 am
The arabs lost land every time they attacked Israel. Good.
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Ionus
 
  2  
Fri 3 Dec, 2010 04:13 am
Of course the USA stole land.... from the British, Cherokee, Souix, Other Indians, Mexicans, Spanish, Philippines....that is what people did in those days. There is no need to rewrite history because you dont think of yourself like that.
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JTT
 
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Fri 3 Dec, 2010 01:15 pm
@Setanta,
I do read what you post, Setanta, and a large measure of it is pure drivel.

What you posted, Rabel, had a measure of truth, in a tongue in cheek sort of way. But we don't have to get hung up on the British for though they are often partners in war crimes with the US, they are a junior partner to be sure.
rabel22
 
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Fri 3 Dec, 2010 04:26 pm
@JTT,
Not in the 1700 and 1800 hundreds they werent.
JTT
 
  0  
Fri 3 Dec, 2010 05:53 pm
@rabel22,
True, but it's tough enough getting the latest war criminals held accountable.
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