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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2010 08:41 pm
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

The above just shows the Hebrew bandit roots.


The latest archeological theory says that the original Israelites were just Canaanites that decided to take on a new identity, after leaving decaying cities where they had been in a subservient social position. There really were no Hebrews, just Canaanites with an identity crises. The bandit thesis sounds like misinformation from Arab countries, in my opinion. Funny though, since the Arabs left Arabia and conquered so many lands in the Middle East, including north Africa.

Nothing like projecting one's own proclivities to be in denial.
Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2010 08:44 pm
At the moment, I weep for the victims of the vast forest fires.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2010 08:47 pm
@Foofie,
Israel would be liked a lot more if it sold oil to the west in quantities comparable to the camel humpers.
talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2010 08:51 pm
@Foofie,
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Habiru (Ha biru) or Apiru or pr.w (Egyptian)[1] was the name given by various Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Hittite, Mitanni, and Ugaritic sources (dated, roughly, between 1800 BC and 1100 BC) to a group of people living as nomadic invaders in areas of the Fertile Crescent from Northeastern Mesopotamia and Iran to the borders of Egypt in Canaan.[2] Depending on the source and epoch, these Habiru are variously described as nomadic or semi-nomadic, rebels, outlaws, raiders, mercenaries[/b], and bowmen, servants, slaves, migrant laborers, etc.


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Habiru and the Hebrews

When the Amarna letters were translated, some scholars equated these Apiru with the Biblical Hebrews (Hebrew: עברים or עבריים, ʿIvrim, ʿIvriyyim). Besides the similarity of their spellings, the description of the Apiru attacking cities in Canaan seems to fit the Biblical account of the conquest of that land by Israelites under Joshua.

The photographs from the 1904 Breasted Expedition to Egypt, especially those of the battle of Kadesh incribed at Abu Simbel provide one of the first recorded mentions of the ha ibr u[9] in the context of an army that messengers rushed to fetch to the battle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habiru

Scholarly opinion remains divided on this issue. Some scholars argue that the Hapiru were a component of the later peoples who inhabited the kingdoms ruled by Saul, David, Solomon and their successors in Judah and Israel. Rainey argues that Hapiru is a generic term for bandits, not attached to a specific population. He proposes that, in the Amarna letters, Hebrews are referred as Shasu.[10]
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2010 08:55 pm
Has anyone seen a map of the USA at the time of independance ??? Can you look at that map and say the USA does not systemically appropriate land?

Let he who is without sin throw the first stone......
talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2010 09:34 pm
@Ionus,
Jefferson bought Louisiana from Napoleon that stretched from the Mississippi to the Pacific Ocean. Mr. Green
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 3 Dec, 2010 11:36 pm
@talk72000,
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Jefferson bought Louisiana from Napoleon that stretched from the Mississippi to the Pacific Ocean.
For a fraction of what it was worth. Its main purpose for the french was furs and a food bowl for Haiti where the valuable crops were grown. When they lost Haiti, they didnt need the Louisiana Territories and it was hoped it would encourage the US to attack spanish continental possessions amd british possessions in the Caribbean.

It didnt stretch to the Pacific Ocean. have you forgotten about Spain and Britain ? It stretched fron New Orleans to the Great lakes.
talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2010 01:28 pm
@Ionus,
What would we do without them Pirates? Ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 4 Dec, 2010 09:02 pm
@talk72000,
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What would we do without them Pirates? Ho ho and a bottle of rum!

Rum was a currency. You literally pissed your money away. Pyrates are an interesting bunch. They almost always had a country on their side. Many Caribbean pyrates were well known and respected in their home port. The crew voted for their captain, at a time when peasants didnt have the vote in their own country.

Muslim pyrates were raiding the coast of western europe for slaves for well over 500 yrs. Some think the reason the muslims do not respect the west is because of the number of slaves they were exposed to, something akin to blacks in the deep south. At one stage an adult male western slave was so readily available in North African markets, you could purchase one for a bit more than a loaf of bread. On raids, blonde or red haired blue eyed girls were valuable for the harems. and young boys were valued for castration to serve as eunuchs. Ireland, England and Holland were favoured for this reason.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2010 09:42 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

Israel would be liked a lot more if it sold oil to the west in quantities comparable to the camel humpers.


Well, since they do not have oil to sell, are there any other suggestions?
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 5 Dec, 2010 07:51 pm
@Foofie,
I didnt need two Gulf Wars, Afghanistan, several Arab wars trying to annihilate the Israeli State, oil shortages and numerous oil price hikes to dislike muslim terrorists. I got their measure when a group of Palestinians were escaping from a raid and their children hostages were slowing them down so they picked them up by their feet, swung them over their shoulders and smashed their brains out on rocks. They were scared a bullet sound would give away their position to following Israeli soldiers. What did the last child to go think ?
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 02:02 pm
@Foofie,
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Nothing like projecting one's own proclivities to be in denial.


A little confusing, Foofie, but I'm quite sure I get your drift.

Your comment also points directly at you? You frequently make excuses for those who commit horrendous war crimes, engage in terrorism, commit mass murder and these people are your own, in a nationalistic sense.

Are these then also your proclivities?
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 05:28 am
@JTT,
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those who commit horrendous war crimes, engage in terrorism, commit mass murder and these people are your own, in a nationalistic sense.
What sort of bloody minded ignorant stupid psycho bitch would say that ?

The arabs were on the side of the nazis in WWII and they have never changed. What were the Israelis to do for a homeland ? Every national identity deserves a homeland. The Kurds, the Tamils, the North American Indians.....the Palestinian state already exists in Jordan.

The Palestinians wont close the refugee camps because the leaders will have to give up their idea of power. They are trying to outbreed the Israelis. Only someone of your depressing stupidity would accuse the Jewish nation of war crimes.
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 10:00 am
The media do not report that the Palestinians essentially reject everything that might lead to peace. I guess, however, the Israelis must never give up seeking peace, although the efforts to date are fruitless.

Fair press for peace


The vast majority of local and international news outlets have so far refrained from reporting at all on Fatah's hard-line declarations.

Editorial, Jerusalem Post, November 29, 2010

The Fifth Fatah Revolutionary Council did not have an auspicious beginning. Participants kicked off discussion by giving special honor to Amin al-Hindi, one of the masterminds of the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre of 11 Israeli athletes, who died earlier this year. What followed was sheer intransigence on the part of the 120-member Palestinian "congress," which represents "moderate" Palestinian opinions - as opposed to the radical Islamic Hamas, which openly calls for using violence to bring about Israel's demise.

After two days of meetings in Ramallah this weekend, Fatah, which makes up the backbone of the Palestinian Authority leadership, issued a resounding "no" to compromise, further dimming even the faintest hopes for a negotiated peace with Israel.

The Fatah council derogatorily rejected recognition of "the so-called Jewish state" or any "racist state based on religion." It reasserted the "right of return" which, if implemented, would facilitate the end of a Jewish majority within the pre-1967 Green Line by allowing about four million Palestinian refugees and their offspring to settle in Israel proper.

Land swaps as part of a peace agreement were ruled out as well. Large settlement blocs in Judea and Samaria, such as Gush Etzion, Ma'aleh Adumim and other cities located just over the Green Line, consisting of no more than five percent of the West Bank, where about 80% around 320,000 Jews live, must be uprooted and settlers must be expelled, it decided. "Illegal settler gangs can't be put on an equal footing with the owners of the lands and rights," declared the council.

Israeli and US understandings, starting in December 2000 with the "Clinton parameters" and continuing with former US president George Bush's declaration that any permanent peace deal would have to reflect the West Bank's demographic realities, were effectively dismissed. In what sounded more like a battle cry than a declaration, Fatah essentially articulated its intent to do everything short of relaunching an armed struggle to undermine the existence of the Jewish state.

THE FATAH council's articulation of such an extremist position has far-reaching ramifications for the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. That's why Palestinian affairs correspondent Khaled Abu Toameh's report on the council's decisions appeared at the top of this newspaper's front page on Sunday.

By bizarre contrast, the vast majority of local and international news outlets have so far refrained from reporting at all on Fatah's hard-line declarations. While news media usually respond quickly and amply to steps taken by Israel that are perceived as potentially detrimental to the peace process, the silent treatment of the Fatah decisions reflects a media norm, in which Palestinian incitement and intransigence is often downplayed or completely ignored.

Just last Monday, for instance, this paper was the first to report on the PA Ministry of Information's outlandish "study" claiming that the Western Wall, known to Muslims as Al- Buraq Wall, constitutes Wakf property and that "the Zionist occupation falsely and unjustly claims that it owns this wall." Some other news outlets reported this several days later; others not at all. Similarly, a survey commissioned by the Israel Project, indicating highly antagonistic Palestinian attitudes toward Israel, barely received media attention when it was released earlier this month.

Two-thirds of Palestinians living on the West Bank and Gaza agreed that "over time, Palestinians must work to get back all the land for a Palestinian state." Sixty percent said that "the real goal should be to start with two states but then move it to all being one Palestinian state." Fifty-six percent agreed that "we will have to resort to armed struggle again."

When news reporters and editors fail to give the proper space to revelations of Palestinian extremism and intransigence, they help perpetuate prejudices against Israel. Not only is skewed journalism a betrayal of the profession and those who rely on it, in this case it hurts the peace process by untenably misrepresenting the imperative for compromise by the Palestinian leadership and their public, thereby dooming hopes for negotiated progress.

Palestinians must come to terms with the legitimacy of Jewish rights to sovereignty in this sliver of land if they are to internalize the need for compromise and thus walk the path to peace. That process of recognition requires the disseminating of an honest narrative by the Palestinian leadership.

And that, in turn, requires the international community to, first, understand accurately the nature of current Palestinian hostility to the notion of a legitimate Israel and, second, to impress on the leadership the need for change.

The extent of the challenge was made perfectly clear over the weekend by Fatah's Revolutionary Council. Too bad that most of the world has not heard about it.


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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 11:22 am
Rabbis say, "Let's make sure the Arabs don't get to live amongst the Jews!"

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JERUSALEM — Dozens of Israeli rabbis, some of them civil servants, issued an appeal on Tuesday telling locals not to sell or rent property to non-Jews, drawing condemnation from lawmakers and human rights activists.

The open letter underscored Jewish-Arab tensions that have deepened along with Israel's deadlocked Palestinian conflict, as well as more recent demographic fears triggered by an influx of illegal African migrants.

"The Land of Israel is intended for the people of Israel," Yosef Shainin, chief rabbi of the southern port city of Ashdod and one of the 41 signatories, told Israel's Army Radio when asked about the letter. SOURCE
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 11:32 am
@JPB,
Opposition wants the Jerusalem marathon out of east Jerusalem: “A marathon doesn't bring Jews, Arabs together. This is just an aggressive move,” Meretz councilman says.

http://i51.tinypic.com/mczspg.jpg
JP, Dec 7, 2010, frontpage

Online report
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 02:50 pm
@Ionus,
You are one dumb ex-private no class, Ianus.

Jewish is not a national identity. It is a religious identity?

Foofie is an American, dummy.

You need much work on your reading comprehension before you aspire to "writer".
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 06:34 pm
@JTT,
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Jewish is not a national identity.
Your knowledge of history only involves the Vietnam war and your sexual lust for war crimes. How the hell would you know ?

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It is a religious identity?
Now you are asking ? I thought you already knew ?

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Foofie is an American, dummy.
Which is not a nationality unless you are referring to North, South, Central America and the Caribbean area.

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You need much work on your reading comprehension
Very Happy Dont spit your medication after nursey leaves....you really need it. Bad Bitch.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 10:30 pm
@Ionus,
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Now you are asking ? I thought you already knew ?


A typo, lad.

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Which is not a nationality unless you are referring to North, South, Central America and the Caribbean area.


That's false, Ianus. Having your head up your ass is just like you're still in the military, eh, except you don't get to shoot up innocent civilians.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 10:35 pm
@Ionus,
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Your knowledge of history only involves the Vietnam war ...


You know that to be a bald faced lie yet you possess such an enormous fount of stupidity that you think you can blow it by folks with a brain.

It seems that there is a need for basic training in lies for grunts.
 

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