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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
JTT
 
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Sat 27 Nov, 2010 03:46 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

War Crimes: Israeli government documents show deliberate policy to keep Gazans at near-starvation levels


by Saed Bannoura

In 2007, when Israel began its full siege on Gaza, Dov Weisglass, adviser to then Prime-Minister Ehud Olmert, stated clearly, “The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger.” The documents now released contain equations used by the Israeli government to calculate the exact amounts of food, fuel and other necessities needed to do exactly that.

The documents are even more disturbing, say human rights activists, when one considers the fact that close to half of the people of Gaza are children under the age of eighteen. This means that Israel has deliberately forced the undernourishment of hundreds of thousands of children in direct violation of international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention.

This release of documents also severely undermines Israel's oft-made claim that the siege is "for security reasons", as it documents a deliberate and systematic policy of collective punishment of the entire population of Gaza.

Gisha's director said, in relation to the release of documents, "Israel banned glucose for biscuits and the fuel needed for regular supply of electricity – paralyzing normal life in Gaza and impairing the moral character of the State of Israel. I am sorry to say that major elements of this policy are still in place."

In its statement accompanying the release of the documents, Gisha wrote:

The documents reveal that the state approved "a policy of deliberate reduction" for basic goods in the Gaza Strip (section h.4, page 5*). Thus, for example, Israel restricted the supply of fuel needed for the power plant, disrupting the supply of electricity and water. The state set a "lower warning line" (section g.2, page 5) to give advance warning of expected shortages in a particular item, but at the same time approved ignoring that warning, if the good in question was subject to a policy of "deliberate reduction". Moreover, the state set an "upper red line" above which even basic humanitarian items could be blocked, even if they were in demand (section g.1, page 5). The state claimed in a cover letter to Gisha that in practice, it had not authorized reduction of "basic goods" below the "lower warning line", but it did not define what these "basic goods" were.

Commentator Richard Silverstein wrote: "In reviewing the list of permitted items for import, you come to realize that these are the only items allowed. In other words, if an item is not on the list, it’s prohibited. So, for example, here is the list of permitted spices: Black pepper, soup powder, hyssop, sesame. cinnamon, anise, babuna (chamomile), sage. Sorry, cumin, basil, bay leaf, allspice, carraway, cardamon, chiles, chives, cilantro, cloves, garlic, sesame, tamarind, thyme, oregano, cayenne. Not on the list. You're not a spice Palestinians need according to some IDF dunderhead. And tomatoes, potatoes, cucumbers, lettuce, toys, glassware, paint, and shoes? You can forget about them too. Luxuries all, or else security threats."

Despite the disturbing nature of the documents, which show a calculated policy of deliberate undernourishment of an entire population, no major media organizations have reported the story.

The full text of the released documents, and the original Freedom of Information Act request filed by Gisha, can be found on Gisha's website. See below for the Gisha Report

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21799
oralloy
 
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Sat 27 Nov, 2010 04:53 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Despite the disturbing nature of the documents, which show a calculated policy of deliberate undernourishment of an entire population, no major media organizations have reported the story.


That's because they know that the story is anti-Semitic propaganda.






Funny that you had to resort to the least credible site on the internet.....
JTT
 
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Sat 27 Nov, 2010 06:01 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
That's because they know that the story is anti-Semitic propaganda.


Really? You mean the people described below, are anti-Semitic?

Quote:
Gisha is an Israeli not-for-profit organization, founded in 2005, whose goal is to protect the freedom of movement of Palestinians, especially Gaza residents. Gisha promotes rights guaranteed by international and Israeli law.

Since the 1967 occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, Israel's military has developed a complex system of rules and sanctions to control the movement of the 3.4 million Palestinians who live there. The restrictions violate the fundamental right of Palestinians to freedom of movement. As a result, additional basic rights are violated, including the right to life, the right to access medical care, the right to education, the right to livelihood, the right to family unity and the right to freedom of religion.

Gisha, whose name means both "access" and "approach," uses legal assistance and public advocacy to protect the rights of Palestinian residents. Because freedom of movement is a precondition for exercising other basic rights, Gisha’s work has a multiplier effect in helping residents of the occupied territories access education, jobs, family members and medical care.

As part of its legal work, Gisha represents individuals and organizations in Israeli administrative proceedings and courts. Gisha’s legal activity is based on Israeli law, international human rights and humanitarian law.

As part of its advocacy work, Gisha reaches out to members of the public and opinion-makers using publications in various media, in order to promote awareness and sensitivity for human rights in the occupied territories. Gisha also advocates directly before decision-makers to promote policies that respect human rights.

Gisha is operated by a professional staff and guided by a board that includes legal academics and practitioners, women and men, Arabs and Jews, who have helped shape Israeli human rights law through their advocacy and writings.

Gisha is registered in Israel as an independent, non-partisan, not-for-profit organization. Gisha is generously supported by donations from Israel and abroad.

http://www.gisha.org/index.php?intLanguage=2&intSiteSN=137&OldMenu=113&intItemId=107



And the link for Gisha's disclosure of this heinous Israeli policy,

http://www.gisha.org/index.php?intLanguage=2&intItemId=1904&intSiteSN=113

Quote:
Funny that you had to resort to the least credible site on the internet....


which was duly reported by the site I linked to.

Funny that you had to resort to two of the lamest tricks in the book but then you've always been known for how generously you support war crimes/mass murder/terrorism and how adept you are at fabrications, Oralboy.
McTag
 
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Sun 28 Nov, 2010 05:06 am
@oralloy,

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Because terrorism is typically taken to mean the targeting of civilians by covert attackers.

This event was the firing of smoke munitions to obscure troop movements on a battlefield.

Even with some of the more esoteric and outlandish definitions of terrorism, it is pretty hard to see how "firing smoke munitions to prevent the enemy from seeing you on the battlefield" would count as terrorism.


1. It is possible to make smoke without using phosphorus ordnance.

2. Dropping shells into a UN aid supply compound could in no way be an accident.

3. If I took my family to a place of comparative safety while there was a military attack going on, and the attackers started shooting incendiary shells at us, I'd be pretty terrified. I submit you would, too.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 28 Nov, 2010 10:53 am
@JTT,
JTT, It's useless to provide factual information on Israel - even when Jews are against what Israelis do on the illegal takeover of Palestinian lands. They call us anti-Semite as if has any derogatory meaning; it's really funny with Jews use that term when they are the real anti-Semites who would treat other humans with disdain and disregard for their equal rights and humanity.
oralloy
 
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Sun 28 Nov, 2010 05:26 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Because terrorism is typically taken to mean the targeting of civilians by covert attackers.

This event was the firing of smoke munitions to obscure troop movements on a battlefield.

Even with some of the more esoteric and outlandish definitions of terrorism, it is pretty hard to see how "firing smoke munitions to prevent the enemy from seeing you on the battlefield" would count as terrorism.


1. It is possible to make smoke without using phosphorus ordnance.


Of all the goofy things to say.....

(No further response is necessary. Your comment is self-defeating.)




McTag wrote:
2. Dropping shells into a UN aid supply compound could in no way be an accident.


Yes it could, and it was. They just happened to be between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

If you don't want such things to happen to you, don't go into the middle of a battlefield.




McTag wrote:
3. If I took my family to a place of comparative safety while there was a military attack going on, and the attackers started shooting incendiary shells at us, I'd be pretty terrified. I submit you would, too.


Ah. So the quest to pretend Israel has done something wrong has reached the level of absurdity where terrorism is defined as "anything scary"??

Amusement parks with extreme roller coasters must be the next target in the war on terror.
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oralloy
 
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Sun 28 Nov, 2010 05:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
JTT, It's useless to provide factual information on Israel


I can see why you would get little use out of it.

I, however, find it highly useful. A basic statement of facts is all that is needed to blow your hateful claims completely out of the water.



cicerone imposter wrote:
even when Jews are against what Israelis do on the illegal takeover of Palestinian lands.


Nothing illegal about it. Nor is the Jewish homeland in any way "Palestinian lands".



cicerone imposter wrote:
They call us anti-Semite as if has any derogatory meaning;


It has massive derogatory meaning. Anti-Semites are the most vile vermin on the planet. All their claims are invalid automatically. No need to even consider what they say.



cicerone imposter wrote:
it's really funny with Jews use that term when they are the real anti-Semites


Your anti-Semitism is despicable.



cicerone imposter wrote:
who would treat other humans with disdain and disregard for their equal rights and humanity.


Telling a Palestinian that he won't be allowed to murder Israeli children is hardly a violation of his rights.
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JTT
 
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Sun 28 Nov, 2010 05:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
JTT, It's useless to provide factual information on Israel


It may seem like it is, CI, but take heart, it isn't really. To see just how effective it really is all you have to do is take a look at the totally inane responses that come from someone with the mentality of say, Oralboy.

Upon hearing the facts, he runs off at the mouth but says absolutely nothing. He's got so many diversionary tangents going that he doesn't know if he's coming or going.

Did you know that your anti-Semitism is despicable, CI? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

I'm trying to get mine up to your level. Perhaps you could give me some pointers.
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McTag
 
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Tue 30 Nov, 2010 02:30 am

Interesting article in the paper yesterday.

Charm offensive. Or offensive charm?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/israel-citizen-advocates-europe-pr
Advocate
 
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Tue 30 Nov, 2010 09:50 am
Here is the simple truth of the tilted relationship of Obama to the conflict relative to Israel and Palestine.

Obama's peace process to nowhere

The president's new proposal to Israel is a step backward in the effort to establish an enduring peace in the Middle East.

by Elliott Abrams and Michael Singh, Foreign Policy, November 20, 2010

Barack Obama's latest offer to Israel in his quixotic quest for a total construction freeze in West Bank settlements seems at first glance to be a sweetheart deal for Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. In exchange for a 90-day extension of the freeze, Israel reportedly would receive 20 additional F-35 fighter jets worth $3 billion, a guarantee that the United States will veto any unilateral Palestinian initiative at the United Nations meant to achieve international recognition of a Palestinian state, and a promise that Obama will not request any further extensions of the construction moratorium.

The deal, however, masks an unwelcome shift in U.S. mediation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. And the troubling precedents set by this package will serve to dim rather than enhance prospects for a breakthrough in peace negotiations.

The most worrying aspect of Obama's package is the linkages it establishes between Israeli concessions on settlements (and apparently on the pace of construction in Jerusalem as well) and other unrelated policy matters. Washington has long opposed, and frequently vetoed, U.N. Security Council initiatives targeting Israel. The United States has done so not out of a sense of charity, but because the anti-Israel resolutions were unconstructive, unhelpful, and unprincipled.

The suggestion that unless there is a construction freeze America will no longer do so will make it far harder for U.S. negotiators to defeat or soften drafts put forward in the council in future years, and encourage further assaults on Israel there. Leaving Israel undefended in the United Nations will make successful negotiations less, not more, likely, for an Israel that is under constant attack will batten down the hatches not "take risks for peace."

More disturbing still is the explicit connection between U.S. security assistance to Israel and the settlement freeze. The offer of additional fighter jets can be interpreted two ways: First, the Obama administration may believe that the jets are unnecessary to Israeli security, and is merely offering them as a sweetener, at a cost of $3 billion to U.S. taxpayers -- or about $33 million for each day of the freeze. The second, more ominous explanation is that the United States believes the jets are important to Israel's security and the two countries' shared interests, but is using them as pressure to tidy up a diplomatic mess of its own making. As much as Israeli officials may desire the additional hardware, particularly in light of the growing threat of a nuclear-armed Iran, they will no doubt think long and hard before setting this precedent.

Obama's promise not to seek another construction freeze after the next 90-day moratorium also suggests that his administration has yet to diagnose correctly what ails its Middle East peacemaking efforts. An agreement for a freeze, with an allowance for "inward" growth of existing settlements, was reached between former President George W. Bush and former Israeli prime ministers Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert. The Bush administration was quick to protest when that understanding was violated -- a reaction that sometimes led to tension between the two countries.

The interest in stopping construction in settlements that would make final status talks harder is not what differentiates the Bush and Obama administrations. Rather, it is the public and strident manner in which the Obama administration has conveyed U.S. demands, and its neglect of Israeli political realities. The Obama administration has sought a total freeze as a precondition for negotiations; what is needed instead is a return to the agreements reached in previous years, which the Obama team ignored in its "anything but Bush" phase.

Obama's departures from sensible policy would be easier for him to defend if the return were sufficient. But the premise of the U.S. offer -- that within 90 days the Israelis and Palestinians can conclude a preliminary agreement on borders, rendering the settlement issue moot -- beggars belief.

To be sure, a proposal on borders could probably be ginned up in 90 minutes, never mind 90 days. A quick Google search will yield a handful of ideas, all theoretically plausible. But even armed with a sheaf of maps, a standalone border agreement is a mirage. For Israelis, more important than where the border lies is what lies beyond it -- what security arrangements will be put in place to prevent a barrage of rockets originating from the West Bank, as they now do from Gaza? What will stop Hamas from trouncing the Palestinian Authority there as well, once Israeli troops withdraw? For Palestinians, the border in which they are most interested, but which will reportedly not be addressed during the period of the freeze, is that surrounding Jerusalem.

Avoiding Jerusalem is impossible in any discussion of borders, given that its limits, as defined by Israel, make up a significant portion of the border between the West Bank and Israel proper, and envelop lands that the Palestinians desire for their future state. These issues are intimately connected to that of borders, and solutions to them cannot be reached in isolation from the others. Tradeoffs and connections between them are necessary, not only for the normal give-and-take that accompanies any negotiation, but also because resolving these issues is vital to crafting a sustainable accord that brings permanent peace rather than fleeting diplomatic success.

With this latest gambit, the United States is trying to rescue a policy that is not worth rescuing. Rather than heading back to the region to offer up this package, Obama needs to head back to the drawing board.


oralloy
 
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Tue 30 Nov, 2010 03:26 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
With this latest gambit, the United States is trying to rescue a policy that is not worth rescuing. Rather than heading back to the region to offer up this package, Obama needs to head back to the drawing board.


I agree that this peace talk nonsense is not worth rescuing. But I don't see the harm in paying lip service to it until it finally collapses for good.
talk72000
 
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Tue 30 Nov, 2010 04:31 pm
What role did Israel play in the collapse of the World Towers? Israeli agents were caught redhanded with explosives in their van/truck and waving joyously on the rooftops. Arab garbs were found in their possesion and Israelis were conspicuously absent in their Tower offices during the attacks of the Towers. The GWB Defense Department were full of Jews Like Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 1 Dec, 2010 12:25 am
@oralloy,
Obama's drawing board has too many erased items and revisions for it to make any sense. This comes from being too wishy-washy.
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McTag
 
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Wed 1 Dec, 2010 04:53 am
@talk72000,

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What role did Israel play in the collapse of the World Towers? Israeli agents were caught redhanded with explosives in their van/truck and waving joyously on the rooftops. Arab garbs were found in their possesion and Israelis were conspicuously absent in their Tower offices during the attacks of the Towers. The GWB Defense Department were full of Jews Like Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith.


Where is the evidence for this?
Foofie
 
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Wed 1 Dec, 2010 01:55 pm
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

What role did Israel play in the collapse of the World Towers? Israeli agents were caught redhanded with explosives in their van/truck and waving joyously on the rooftops. Arab garbs were found in their possesion and Israelis were conspicuously absent in their Tower offices during the attacks of the Towers. The GWB Defense Department were full of Jews Like Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith.


The problem above, in my opinion, is making the assumption that American neo-conservatives that happen to be Jewish are connected to Israelis and any agenda they might have. Israelis have their goals, based on Israel's goals. Jewish American, be they conservatives or liberals, have goals based on liberal or conservative goals. Once someone starts to see Jews as some sort of cabal, spanning nationalities, I believe they are possibly thinking like the 19th century with its Protocols of the Elders of Zion, in my opinion.

Right after 9/11 the canard (false rumor) that was being promulgated was that all Jews that worked in the Twin Towers were "tipped off" not to come to work that day. Well, with the plaque of the 9/11 victims at Ground Zero, one can see that many Jews were amongst the victims. Still, the beliefs persist that 9/11 was a plot by Zionists and their lackeys. How come lackeys are never identified by religious affiliation?

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McTag
 
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Wed 1 Dec, 2010 04:29 pm
@talk72000,

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What role did Israel play in the collapse of the World Towers? Israeli agents were caught redhanded with explosives in their van/truck and waving joyously on the rooftops.


This seems odd. The explosive used was aviation fuel, delivered at 500 mph, after all. That is fairly well established.
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rabel22
 
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Wed 1 Dec, 2010 04:59 pm
@McTag,
Do you think that they could recruit any friends of Israel on a2k? Or have they already been recruited.
talk72000
 
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Wed 1 Dec, 2010 07:55 pm
@McTag,
Quote:
Where is the evidence for this?


http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/real_freedom/Propaganda/employer_of_the_dancing_israelis.htm

What role did Israel play in the collapse of the World Towers? That is what I am asking. Obviously you missed all the news that Israelis were discovered dancing on rooftops while watching the Towers burning.

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McTag
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 06:51 am
@rabel22,

I am a friend of Israel.

Yes. Sometimes, though, she stretches my loyalty.
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Advocate
 
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Thu 2 Dec, 2010 08:49 am
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

What role did Israel play in the collapse of the World Towers? Israeli agents were caught redhanded with explosives in their van/truck and waving joyously on the rooftops. Arab garbs were found in their possesion and Israelis were conspicuously absent in their Tower offices during the attacks of the Towers. The GWB Defense Department were full of Jews Like Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith.


Interesting! Could you give us some proof? Or are you just full of ****?
 

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