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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
buttflake
 
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Sat 26 Jul, 2014 04:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Why so many are silent against this massacre is the mystery.


Are you talking about the genocide of Christians? The silence is deafening.
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RABEL222
 
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Sat 26 Jul, 2014 05:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
In Israel the Holocaust can only be the one perpetrated by Germany against the Jews. The Christians and and enemies of the government dident count in Germany as far as most Isralies see things, just as now the war (holocaust) against the Pals dosent count because it is Israels war? If the civilians dont want to become casualties of war all they have to do is leave Gaza and go to Israel, IF they can cross the border without getting shot by the Isralie solders protecting their "holy" land.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jul, 2014 05:29 pm
@RABEL222,
huh? Leave Gaza and go to Israel? You are kidding, right?
izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 26 Jul, 2014 05:52 pm
@RABEL222,
It wasn't just Jews who suffered in extermination camps, Russians, Poles Gypsies, Homosexuals, Socialists, Mentally Handicapped and Jehovah's Witnesses all paid the price too.
oralloy
 
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Sat 26 Jul, 2014 07:38 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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The reason can be summed up as follows: the immediate casus belli – Hamas aggression – appears to justify Israel's actions. But on closer inspection, threats against civilians fade compared to actual carnage among civilians – Palestinians.

The biggest problem with this is the fact that the Palestinian death toll is fabricated.

But even if factual numbers could be established regarding the death toll among Palestinian civilians, collateral damage is just an unfortunate part of any war.

Israel's need to defend itself doesn't fade as claimed.


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Zooming out, the long-term context of the conflict is increasingly indefensible. Yet Israel's argument for the war depends on immediate justifications and ignores the context. To compensate, Israel is fixated on narrative, in the deep conviction that a campaign of slogans and images, known as "hasbara", will work.

The long term context of this conflict is the fact that the Palestinians never make peace and always try to murder innocent Israelis.

For Israel at least, the long-term context is completely defensible.


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For Israel, this is a war against Hamas that started a few weeks ago. Outsiders increasingly see it as war against Gaza for years, and against Palestinians for decades. In that environment, it doesn't matter who fired at the UN school.

I agree that the fuss over the school is irrelevant.

Actually I was not even aware that there was a fuss over the school.

But yes, irrelevant.


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People were killed because of a war, because of the big picture, which doesn't favour Israel.

Nonsense. It is hardly Israel's fault that the Palestinians insist on continual war.


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The UN school, like other cases before it, could be reduced to a whodunnit in the grimmest of games: Who fired the shot? Did Palestinians doctor the photos? Evidence-doubting is becoming a favourite game.

Considering that all the Palestinian claims are fabricated, "evidence" doubting is wise indeed.


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By ignoring and perpetuating the long-term conflict, obsessively reading only the very, very short term, and by dressing up its actions in cheap linguistic clothes, Israel's communications may backfire among precisely those who need to be convinced.

Israel neither ignores nor perpetuates the long-term conflict.

I am not aware that anyone needs to be convinced of anything, but I note that anti-Semites will find any excuse to lie about Israel. The solution is to just denounce the anti-Semitism. No point in worrying about whether a given course of action will result in a certain anti-Semitic lie.
oralloy
 
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Sat 26 Jul, 2014 07:53 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Killing so many children for their fight against Hamas can't be excused. Why so many are silent against this massacre is the mystery.

Anti-Semites do love making false accusations against Jews....

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Moment-in-Time wrote:
Israel has Kerry and Obama afraid to do anything because of domestic politics.

Mr. Kerry and Mr. Obama both know that Israel isn't doing anything wrong.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
There is outrage on campuses across the nation but the papers will not cover such.

These would be the same campuses where anti-Semites worked successfully to undermine the peace process?

Let the freaks be outraged. They deserve it.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
Europe is watching and Israel isn't looking too pretty nor will the Zionist nation escape without paying a huge price.

Israel looks just fine. And no, there is not going to be any price.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
By murdering so many Palestinians Israel is hoping

Israel is not murdering anyone.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
Really, I'm so ashamed the silent leaders in the US are so cowed by Israel they dare not do what is right in the name of humanity.

What is right in the name of humanity is for the US to be building new bombs and missiles to replenish the stores that Israel is using up.

I trust that the Obama Administration is doing just that.
buttflake
 
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Sat 26 Jul, 2014 07:54 pm
@izzythepush,
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It wasn't just Jews who suffered in extermination camps, Russians, Poles Gypsies, Homosexuals, Socialists, Mentally Handicapped and Jehovah's Witnesses all paid the price too.


Somehow that makes the Jewish suffering less? Every thing is not to be written off with rationalizations. At least not in the real world, which is catching up to you liberal, morally relevant dreamers.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 26 Jul, 2014 08:00 pm
@izzythepush,
That's true; I think about 3 million Polish christians were part of the holocaust that's not recognized or talked about often.
buttflake
 
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Sat 26 Jul, 2014 08:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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That's true; I think about 3 million Poles were part of the holocaust that's not recognized or talked about often.


Either is the Armenian Genocide. Where do you think Hitler got the idea from?
buttflake
 
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Sat 26 Jul, 2014 08:22 pm
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K18kT20N5J4/U9QOgZ7v-7I/AAAAAAABmkU/dTuDzeLVYe4/s1600/Hamas+loves+kids.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 26 Jul, 2014 11:46 pm
@buttflake,
buttflake wrote:
Where do you think Hitler got the idea from?
From where, do you think?
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McTag
 
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Sun 27 Jul, 2014 12:45 am
@oralloy,

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The biggest problem with this is the fact that the Palestinian death toll is fabricated.


Photographed, filmed, buried, then fabricated.
McTag
 
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Sun 27 Jul, 2014 12:56 am
@oralloy,
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Anti-Semites do love making false accusations against Jews....


The state of Israel has taken property, lands, and water rights from the Palestinians and is operating an economic blockade on Gaza.
That's the background to this conflict. When the conflict ceases, the cause of the conflict will still be there, to fuel the next conflict.
As the arabs and muslims to the north and east mobilise and mechanise and organise, if I was an Israeli citizen I'd be worried that the power balance is shifting, and nuclear shells may be of little use in the conflict which could ensue.
At the moment what Israel is doing is laying the grounds for a pan-arab uprising.
izzythepush
 
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Sun 27 Jul, 2014 12:58 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
If the civilians dont want to become casualties of war all they have to do is leave Gaza and go to Israel, IF they can cross the border without getting shot by the Isralie solders protecting their "holy" land.


I think that message is a bit too subtle for some.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 27 Jul, 2014 10:17 am
@McTag,
We are all antisemites who believe in justice, freedom, and equality for all!
We also believe killing innocent children in their quest to stop Hamas is a crime against humanity. That's because we are all antisemites.

Doesn't it feel right and good to be an antisemite?
Moment-in-Time
 
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Sun 27 Jul, 2014 10:28 am
@cicerone imposter,
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We are all antisemites who believe in justice, freedom, and equality for all!

We also believe killing innocent children in their quest to stop Hamas is a crime against humanity. That's because we are all antisemites.

Doesn't it feel right and good to be an antisemite?


You are spot on, CI. Israel's deception, keeping Gaza under siege for 7 years, not allowing them free movement, then screaming bloody murder when the fenced in people fight back.

I WOULD FIGHT MY CAPTORS BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!

Yesterday there was a vote in the UN for an investigation into the conflict and the only country to vote against this was the US. The US should bow its head in shame for protecting the murderous nation of Israel!
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 27 Jul, 2014 11:05 am
@Moment-in-Time,
The US government is shameful in many ways; the primary one being their support of the murderous state of Israel. It seems their killing of innocent children is okay for their "defense." What a bunch of crock! Shameful beyond belief. Obama has no backbone or human ethics. We kept hearing he was an intelligent man, but I've yet to 'see it.'
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 27 Jul, 2014 11:05 am
@Moment-in-Time,
The US government is shameful in many ways; the primary one being their support of the murderous state of Israel. It seems their killing of innocent children is okay for their "defense." What a bunch of crock! Shameful beyond belief. Obama has no backbone or human ethics. We kept hearing he was an intelligent man, but I've yet to 'see it.'

Obama mentioned his two children often in the past; why his silence now?
buttflake
 
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Sun 27 Jul, 2014 11:35 am
@cicerone imposter,
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the primary one being their support of the murderous state of Israel.


How many times you going to say that? It is getting old. You don't need to repeat accusations without concrete proof there have been murders. Self defense is not murder. Why don't you ever talk about Palestinians butchering Israeli children like the Fogel family. Or the suicide bombers who kill who is ever around. Or the fake pictures of Syrian dead who have been resurrected and killed again in Palestine.

Show me one Israeli with a gun to someones head or someones head in their hands.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 27 Jul, 2014 11:48 am
@buttflake,
It is not old; it's been happening for too long! You're blind to your own bigotry and ignorance.
 

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