Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

@JTT,

You must be joking....a large genocide is a huge deal when it comes to humanity. It comes with different implications.

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@Frank Apisa,

From the NYT-report Killing of Palestinian Youth Puts an Israeli Focus on Extremism

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“The moral blindness has afflicted Israelis in general,” Anshel Pfeffer, a respected chronicler of Jewish extremism, wrote in the newspaper Haaretz. “We are all partners in this, accomplices in complacency, if not in deed.”

Deborah Weissman, an educator and president of the International Council of Christians and Jews, said the Palestinian teenager’s killing showed that “we are not immune to extremism, that extremist, religious terror can occur in many, maybe in any, religion.”

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

From the NYT-report Killing of Palestinian Youth Puts an Israeli Focus on Extremism

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“The moral blindness has afflicted Israelis in general,” Anshel Pfeffer, a respected chronicler of Jewish extremism, wrote in the newspaper Haaretz. “We are all partners in this, accomplices in complacency, if not in deed.”

Deborah Weissman, an educator and president of the International Council of Christians and Jews, said the Palestinian teenager’s killing showed that “we are not immune to extremism, that extremist, religious terror can occur in many, maybe in any, religion.”

Duh!

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@Foofie,

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Duh!

That is a synonym for Foofie.

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@Frank Apisa,

No matter where you "relocate" the State, you will be taking "land" from others and giving it to the "jews". So you will in effect be transferring the problem from one part of the world to another.

The better argument is the Jewish State should never have been created in the first place.

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@woiyo,

woiyo wrote:

No matter where you "relocate" the State, you will be taking "land" from others and giving it to the "jews". So you will in effect be transferring the problem from one part of the world to another.

Almost anywhere else would be a better place. North Dakota, Utah...any place in the US can be SOLD to make a state of Israel where the state can exist in greater peace than will be found where it is.

It is not going to happen...the Jews and Arabs will hate and kill each other for a very long time yet.

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The better argument is the Jewish State should never have been created in the first place.

There are many who suggest that is correct.

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It is the same old story. The Pals attack Israel (this time with thousands of rockets) and Israel is blamed for defending itself.

You should know that Israel has a right (more than any other people) to be where it is, it is not going away, and it has the might and will to fight off its enemies.

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@Advocate,

Defending itself from stealing Palestinian property?
What other recourse do they have? They have no legal or equal rights in Israel.

You guys are the criminals who steal other people's property without paying for it. A democracy is when all citizens have equal rights.

Palestinians have already lost it all; what other recourse do they have? Please provide an intelligent answer?

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@cicerone imposter,

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You guys are the criminals who steal other people's property without paying for it. A democracy is when all citizens have equal rights.

I don't think A is an Israeli, CI.

But following your reasoning, you seem to be saying all Israelis are criminals because they, directly or indirectly steal land.

What does that make all Americans?

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

Duh!

This means according to Merriam-Webster

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—used in an angry or annoyed way to show that something just said is already known or is obvious
—used to show or pretend that you do not know something

If you meant the first: sorry for posting that link (but it was just minutes online at the time I posted it).
If you meant the second: actually I knew that it was published in/by the NYT.

So what was your point?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Defending itself from stealing Palestinian property?
What other recourse do they have? They have no legal or equal rights in Israel.

You guys are the criminals who steal other people's property without paying for it. A democracy is when all citizens have equal rights.

Palestinians have already lost it all; what other recourse do they have? Please provide an intelligent answer?

Huh??????? The Pals in the WB and Gaza are not citizens of Israel. Thus, they don't have equal rights in Israel.

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@Advocate,

Whose talking about the WB and Gaza? You are blind; I've posted pictures of the prisons that Palestinians live in and around Jerusalem and Bethlehem. Palestinians have green license plates to limit their travel in Israel. Do you know of any other country in this world where this takes place?

Where ever it may be, they certainly don't claim to be a 'democracy.'

Also, show us what other democratic country has watch towers on their roads manned by their military and police with guns?

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@Frank Apisa,

THIS EXCERPT REGARDING THE ISRAELI/PALESTINIAN CONFLICT DESERVES RE-POSTING:

"The basic nature of the Arab-Israeli conflict has been misunderstood for many years because Israeli successfully portrayed it as a struggle between Jews and Arabs. In fact, at it core it is a much more limited and more personal conflict. It centers on the Zionist effort to wrest from the native Palestinians their land and their homes, a relentless campaign that continues to this day. This is the basic nature of the conflict. The larger Arab dimension is a by-product. Peace efforts are likely to remain ineffectual until the basic nature of the conflict is understood––and acknowledged––in the United States

"The Palestinians are the heart and the soul of the Arab-Israeli conflict. It was the Palestinians who in 1948 and again in 1967 lost their homes and land, their businesses and farms, their olive and citrus groves to the Israelis. Many of them and their progeny remain refugees today.

"It is these desperate and angry people who form the original core of Israel's "problem" in the Middle East. They have been joined in their resentment of Israel by nearly 2 million other Palestinians who have been living under Israeli military occupation since 1967.

"The centrality of the Palestinians was well recognized by pioneering Zionists. As David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, said as early as 1936: "We and they [the Palestinians] want the same thing: we both want Palestine. And that is the fundamental conflict." "

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Whose talking about the WB and Gaza? You are blind; I've posted pictures of the prisons that Palestinians live in and around Jerusalem and Bethlehem. Palestinians have green license plates to limit their travel in Israel. Do you know of any other country in this world where this takes place?

Where ever it may be, they certainly don't claim to be a 'democracy.'

Also, show us what other democratic country has watch towers on their roads manned by their military and police with guns?

If any Israelis read some of the posts on this thread, it could just have the effect of showing Israelis that people with no relationship to the Palestineans side with the Palestineans. That could just be interpreted to mean that Jews must hunker down in Israel, since much of the western world is still as unfeeling towards them, as when they were survivors of WWII. Keep up the rhetoric; it might just have the opposite effect of what one wants.

As you bask in the memories of your last vacation, travelling here or there, do you think that your concerns about Israelis/Palestineans might be like Marie Antoinette telling the peasants to eat cake, if they don't have bread? Meaning, in my opinion, it might be hard to really think you feel anyone's pain, as a comfortable American that plans one's next world-wide vacation. I do believe you enjoy your anti-Israel rhetoric, since, in my opinion, it does afford one a persona of having the moral high ground. Sort of like JTT Lite, perhaps?

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@Foofie,

The victim scenario for Jews of Israel is an oxymoron and comical to the extreme. Even many Jews are against the expansion of settlements, because they understand that stealing is stealing, and that Israel is not a democracy where Palestinians are treated as second class citizens without much freedom or legal rights.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

On the contrary: one could not from DNA see much of a difference between Sephardic Jews and Palestinians.

One can see enough of a difference to say that the Palestinians are not the descendants of the Israelites.

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@woiyo,

woiyo wrote:

No matter where you "relocate" the State, you will be taking "land" from others and giving it to the "jews". So you will in effect be transferring the problem from one part of the world to another.

The better argument is the Jewish State should never have been created in the first place.

The better argument is that Muslims should never be allowed to steal other people's land and pretend that it is their own.

There is nothing wrong with Israelis living in their own homeland.

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@Moment-in-Time,

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the Zionist effort to wrest from the native Palestinians their land and their homes, a relentless campaign that continues to this day. This is the basic nature of the conflict.

Setting aside for a moment the fact that this is Israeli land and the Israelis are the natives, Israel has repeatedly offered to let the Palestinians have their own state if only they would make peace.

The only reason the Palestinians don't have their own state today is because, every time they were offered their own state in exchange for peace, the only Palestinian response was to try to massacre the children of the people who were offering them peace.

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@oralloy,

You had the temerity to write,

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Setting aside for a moment the fact that this is Israeli land and the Israelis are the natives, Israel has repeatedly offered to let the Palestinians have their own state if only they would make peace.

All while the Jews steal Palestinian property. What a ******* dork you are! You're not even human; idiot is more like it!

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id·i·ot
ˈidēət/
nouninformal
a stupid person.
synonyms: fool, ass, halfwit, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, cretin, moron, imbecile, simpleton; More

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

One can see enough of a difference to say that the Palestinians are not the descendants of the Israelites.

Says you.

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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

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