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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 02:23 pm
@oralloy,
How about the Jews performing their own hollocaust against people who disagree on the Zionist takeover of Palestine?
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Germlat
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 03:33 pm
@oralloy,
Calling someone a pig are you? Well, not many things can equate to the Holocaust. I thought most people were aware ...maybe not
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InfraBlue
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 04:39 pm
What's farcical is that the US adheres to the Zionists' narrative of entitlement to Palestine, what with Secretary of State John Kerry remarking after the latest failure in the peace talks that, "A two-state solution will be clearly underscored as the only real alternative. Because a unitary state winds up either being an apartheid state with second-class citizens--or it ends up being a state that destroys the capacity of Israel to be a Jewish state."

With this the US completely ignores the Palestinian narrative of indigenousness and the violation of their rights to Palestine by the Zionists. What's more the US completely ignores the Arab Israelis who make up twenty percent of the population, and who, it is predicted, will become the majority demographic in Israel within a few generations.

The Palestinians are up against not only the state of Israel but the United States of America, as well, in this conflict.
Germlat
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 05:01 pm
@InfraBlue,
Have you read my posts?? Obviously not. I don't agree with this land appropriation . I have my own mind and can think for myself . The Holocaust was a horrendous time....medical experiments, starvation, cruelty beyond belief...I have A first account from family members ( won't tell you wether Nazi or Jew)... It doesn't matter...
oralloy
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 05:30 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
I don't agree with this land appropriation.

Given the fact that it is Israeli land to begin with, and the fact that the Palestinians refuse to ever make peace with Israel, it is reasonable for Israel to kick all Palestinians out of the West Bank. It would be a security risk to allow them to stay.
oralloy
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 05:30 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
What's farcical is that the US adheres to the Zionists' narrative of entitlement to Palestine, what with Secretary of State John Kerry remarking after the latest failure in the peace talks that, "A two-state solution will be clearly underscored as the only real alternative. Because a unitary state winds up either being an apartheid state with second-class citizens--or it ends up being a state that destroys the capacity of Israel to be a Jewish state."

As if "failure of peace talks" meant "end of a two-state solution"....

If Israel annexes everything on their side of the Security Fence and then declares the Security Fence as their national border, that will allow a two-state solution where the Palestinians live on whatever land is on the other side of the fence.

If Israel packs all the West Bank Palestinians up in buses and drives them all to Gaza, that will allow a two-state solution where Gaza is the entirety of the Palestinian state.


InfraBlue wrote:
With this the US completely ignores the Palestinian narrative of indigenousness and the violation of their rights to Palestine by the Zionists.

That narrative is rightfully ignored. The Israelis are the indigenous people. The Palestinians are unlawful invaders.


InfraBlue wrote:
What's more the US completely ignores the Arab Israelis who make up twenty percent of the population, and who, it is predicted, will become the majority demographic in Israel within a few generations.

They will be allowed to take part in Israel's democracy, but Israel is going to remain a Jewish state.


InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinians are up against not only the state of Israel but the United States of America, as well, in this conflict.

And rightly so. Palestinians are scum.
Germlat
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 07:09 pm
@oralloy,
A security risk...Hmmmm...that depends in who is the risk.
oralloy
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 08:39 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
A security risk...Hmmmm...that depends in who is the risk.

When Palestinians are left to themselves, they always start firing artillery at nearby civilians.

Israel cannot afford to let them do this in the West Bank, so it is likely that the Palestinians will have to go live somewhere else.
Germlat
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 08:48 pm
@oralloy,
The dynamics are tricky. Don't believe the hype.
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InfraBlue
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 08:53 pm
@Germlat,
I wasn't responding to you.
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InfraBlue
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 08:53 pm
@oralloy,
uh-huh.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Tue 13 May, 2014 02:45 am
I asked a Jewish acquaintance- "Why don't the Israeli leaders simply sit down with the Palestinian leaders and ask them what they want, then maybe a peace deal can be worked out?"
But he completely dismissed the idea and replied "It'd be a waste of time trying to negotiate anything because they've stated in the past that the only thing they want is the total destruction of Israel"
I don't know if that's true or not.
oralloy
 
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Tue 13 May, 2014 03:14 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
I asked a Jewish acquaintance- "Why don't the Israeli leaders simply sit down with the Palestinian leaders and ask them what they want, then maybe a peace deal can be worked out?"

Israel has repeatedly tried to do just that. And every time, negotiations collapsed under a wave of brutal Palestinian murders of innocent Israelis.

Israel is done with that now. Now it is time to use force against the Palestinians.
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InfraBlue
 
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Tue 13 May, 2014 03:19 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
What the Zionists mean by "total destruction of Israel" is the enfranchisement of the Palestinian people within the state of Israel, which for the Zionists is the whole of Palestine. The Zionists want Palestine "for the Jews" with a manageable minority of Arab Israelis. So far, they're satisfied with containing the Palestinians within the concentration camps known as "Area A" of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
Foofie
 
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Tue 13 May, 2014 03:25 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

What the Zionists mean by "total destruction of Israel" is the enfranchisement of the Palestinian people within the state of Israel, which for the Zionists is the whole of Palestine. The Zionists want Palestine "for the Jews" with a manageable minority of Arab Israelis. So far, they're satisfied with containing the Palestinians within the concentration camps known as "Area A" of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.


Doesn't your home state have a similar situation between Anglos and "manageable" areas of Mexicans?
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 May, 2014 03:29 pm
@Foofie,
Did you know housing discrimination is against the law of our land?
Moment-in-Time
 
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Tue 13 May, 2014 04:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Did you know housing discrimination is against the law of our land?


So true, Ci. Also, there are many Mexican-Americans with successful businesses in New York and New Jersey and throughout the US with lovely homes in some of the best neighborhoods. What an odd statement from Foofie? Undocumented Mexicans might encounter problems, but they are more often exploited than not. Many work for less than the minimum wage and often are paid off the books. It's ironic that Mexicans are in reality, the real native Americans.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 May, 2014 04:32 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
It doesn't matter what race, culture, or ethnicity; we all want our children to be safe and in the neighborhood where they will get the best education.

Anyone who succeeds in making enough to live in the 'best' neighborhoods will choose what most parents want for their children. Why do people have to look at race or ethnicity to determine who belongs where?

When we moved to this area of Silicon Valley in the early seventies, we were the first Asians. Now, we're surrounded by Asians. They now make up over 50% of the engineers and scientists in Silicon Valley. Most of the homes in our area are priced at over $1 million. If you can afford to buy or rent, nobody is going to discriminate based on their race or ethnicity.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Tue 13 May, 2014 05:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
If you can afford to buy or rent, nobody is going to discriminate based on their race or ethnicity.


Touché!
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Foofie
 
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Wed 14 May, 2014 02:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Did you know housing discrimination is against the law of our land?


I wasn't talking about housing. I was talking about maintaining a group's hegemony over decision making. Forgetting for a moment the Palestineans, who are the movers and shakers in Israel? Sephardim or Ashkenazim? I bet you have a good idea. Hint: Ancestors came from Russia/Soviet Union.
 

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