Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

advocate says:

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Besides, Jews are prohibited from migrating to the WB and Gaza

Really? So what are those 328,000 Israeli Jews living in settlements on the West Bank doing there?

Um, they are there under force of arms.

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@cicerone imposter,

Perhaps there should be studies on whether modern-day Germans and Japanese are any better than their ancestors. It was recently reported that a group of German children laughed their asses off at the exhibits in a former concentration camp. I wager that Japanese children would have similarly acted so disrespectfully.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

top lying -- they are hundreds of thousands of Jews in the West Bank.

Correct! But this is despite the Pal prohibitions. They are there by force of arms. Didn't you know that?

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@Advocate,

Why don't you do that? LOL You're moving 180 degrees from the topic of this thread. For what reasons?

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

Perhaps there should be studies on whether modern-day Germans and Japanese are any better than their ancestors.

Perhaps you should promote a new war on us? Or be ashamed that not all Germans have been killed in WWII?

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

It was recently reported that a group of German children laughed their asses off at the exhibits in a former concentration camp.

Could you provide the source for that, please.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I'm rather sure that this would have been reported here in Germany. Most certainly in the Jewish press, here, in Israel and elsewhere.

I really must have missed that.

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@Walter Hinteler,

It is absurd to implicate people for the actions of their forefathers after a few generations..most people don't have a clue as far as the political dynamics affecting the time anyway. Even as far away as Latin America if a person has a German last name, people ask if the ancestor was a Nazi fleeing from the law. I often wonder why Stalin and others didn't get the same press.

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@Germlat,

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Yes, experiences can change you. I've known Jews that survived the Holocaust who couldn't even tell anyone they were Jews out of fear. Yep....time has a way of erasing pain and trauma. Still, Can you blame the older ones?

How well I understand some Jews not wanting to revisit the past, avoiding the topic, trying to forget. No, I do not blame them, because to relive the degradation of dehumanization of that time in hell is just too much. Some survivors never revealed to their offspring the unholy suffering they endured under Nazi captivity. Oh no, my fellow poster, I do not blame them....after all, who am I to judge, especially since I did not walk in their shoes.

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@Moment-in-Time,

I agree...for many there was shame in suffering and knowing how many looked away rather than helping. It was a terrifying time. Things are not that easily put aside, particularly when so many have ancestors who gave a first hand account of the events (as they should have). And then others even changed their names to forget altogether. Still..generations later, it doesn't entitle a victim to become a victimizer. If you abandoned something...it doesn't belong to you forever simply because it once did.

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@Moment-in-Time,

That's the main point I wanted to say with my above response, MIT: German Holocaust survivors live here, tour through schools to tell pupils about what happened, guide groups through the concentration camps.

Second and third generation American Jews, whose parents/grandparents came from Germany, come quite often over here visiting here ancestors' native country. (My mother's Jewish school friend wanted to come for a graduation anniversary years ago, but died weeks before.)

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@Germlat,

Well, we Germans can't shut our eyes to the past, otherwise we will be blind in the present, as a former German president once said.
We always have to remember the darkest past in German history.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I agree. I understand. My father is German and I grew up in a German community . I know all about the frustrations but also the pride. I have dual- citizenship. I'm very proud of my heritage. I also know the politics surrounding the dark times.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I agree. I understand. My father is German and I grew up in a German community . I know all about the frustrations but also the pride. I have dual- citizenship. I'm very proud of my heritage. I also know the politics surrounding the dark times.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:

top lying -- they are hundreds of thousands of Jews in the West Bank.

Correct! But this is despite the Pal prohibitions. They are there by force of arms. Didn't you know that?

That's colonization for you.

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@Olivier5,

It's more than 'colonization.' It's imprisonment. The Palestinians do not have the freedom to enter those settlements. Palestinians are surrounded by barbed wire fence and tall fences. Did you see the fence around Bethlehem? If not, I can post a picture of it - that I took. Also, many of the barbed wire fences around Jerusalem.

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@cicerone imposter,

I agree. Simply because you occupied it at some point...then abandoned it, doesn't mean it's yours forever

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

oralloy wrote:
The Palestinians are not defending themselves because they are not under attack.

Evidently, they are under some wrong impression that they are under siege and stolen land that belongs to them. Why don't you go and explain to them it's all a big misunderstanding?

Because Palestinians are murderous thugs who can't be reasoned with. The only way to deal with them is to shoot them until they stop attacking you.

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@Germlat,

Germlat wrote:

Still..generations later, it doesn't entitle a victim to become a victimizer.

The only victimizers here are the Palestinians and their scumbag supporters. And they were never victims.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Advocate wrote:
Olivier5 wrote:
top lying -- they are hundreds of thousands of Jews in the West Bank.

Correct! But this is despite the Pal prohibitions. They are there by force of arms. Didn't you know that?

That's colonization for you.

The only colonists here are the Palestinians. The Jews are living in their own homeland.

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