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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 04:59 pm
@JTT,
I've been saying for years that the United Nations should order Israel to hand back Palestine to the Palestinians, and that America should stop propping up Israel with cash and super-duper weaponry!
Beats me why the American people don't start asking "Why are our politicians supporting Israel with our tax dollars, thereby making us a terror target as 'Israel's friend'? What has Israel ever done for us?"

When the muslim world gets nuke weapons it'll really hit the fan and America will be way up there on the hit list alongside Israel.
So NOW is the time for America to begin detaching herself from Israel to get off the hit list..
It's in Israel's favour too, because Israel is bristling with nukes of her own and is well able to look after herself anyway, so if she breaks with America she'll have a free hand to do whatever she likes without having to ask for Washingtons approval..Wink

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub4/time3.jpg
Foofie
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 05:27 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

What has Israel ever done for us?



It took all those displaced people after WWII that were making London seem like a foreign country. That's really the nut. No one wants a large concentration of Jews in their country. In fact, the world seems to not want Jews on the planet.

Only the non-Jews that run the world, find Jews a resource for innovation. So, the teeming masses just find Jews expendable. It must be hard to accept the fact that one is just part of the teeming masses? In effect, blame the Jews for Arab anti-Americanism. Meaning Arabs had every right to have tried to annihilate Israel (unsuccessfully four times), and now it makes sense to make a non-people, with a non-land more legitimate than Israel.

Typical self-serving Goyisha kup, in my opinion.
JTT
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 05:32 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie: It took all those displaced people after WWII that were making London seem like a foreign country. That's really the nut. No one wants a large concentration of Jews in their country. In fact, the world seems to not want Jews on the planet.

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Conveniently, you fail to mention that the USA was every bit as racist. I think it would be as grand to have Jewish neighbours as it would be to have any other flavours of people, Foofie.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 05:34 pm
Quote:
Foofie said: In fact, the world seems to not want Jews on the planet

Personally I've never met a jew I didn't like, they're generally warm friendly people and i've worked at two small jewish family-owned firms in the past.
And I regularly vote Jerry Lewis's 'The Nutty Professor' as the funniest film of all time in polls..Smile

cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 06:11 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
These guys who call all of us anti-Semites are ignorant and pretty stupid. That Foofie would even suggest that
Quote:
the world seems to not want Jews on the planet
show the extremes to which that always proves they feel victimized. It's beyond silly.

None of them can challenge the facts and figures we present here to prove a) that Israel is an apartheid state, b) Palestinians do not have legal rights, c) the Jews of Israel continue to expand settlements onto Palestinian lands, d) the world community have labeled their military occupation as illegal, and e) they'll never find peace.

Pretty sorry bunch of people~! They can't even see the unethical behavior of their own sins against others, and they keep reminding the world about the holocaust.
JTT
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 07:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
All of those things, with some permutations, can also be said of the USA. And the USA has been at it for two centuries. Why don't you address those issues too, CI, when they are much more serious than Israel?

This is one of the big mysteries of our times.
Foofie
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 07:25 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Foofie: It took all those displaced people after WWII that were making London seem like a foreign country. That's really the nut. No one wants a large concentration of Jews in their country. In fact, the world seems to not want Jews on the planet.

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Conveniently, you fail to mention that the USA was every bit as racist. I think it would be as grand to have Jewish neighbours as it would be to have any other flavours of people, Foofie.


My point is that the Muslim world would like to expand their "territory" of Islamic communities into Europe, in my opinion. It only then makes sense to make Europeans think that America is the problem, based on their historical alliance with Israel. That makes Europeans collectively sigh a sigh of relief that their growing Muslim communities will be happy subordinates, doing the jobs that Europeans do not want to do, and without the terrorism of a 9/11. And, some Europeans get vocal about how Europe collectively agrees with the Muslim world, in that America is the problem, and not peace loving, Muslim caring, Europeans. In effect, Europeans are afraid collectively of being called "Jew Lovers" by the Arab world, in my opinion.
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Foofie
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 07:28 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Quote:
Foofie said: In fact, the world seems to not want Jews on the planet

Personally I've never met a jew I didn't like, they're generally warm friendly people and i've worked at two small jewish family-owned firms in the past.
And I regularly vote Jerry Lewis's 'The Nutty Professor' as the funniest film of all time in polls..Smile

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EtshlipvyIc [/youtube]


Goody for you. However, in my opinion, many Europeans are afraid the Muslim world might start calling Europeans "Jew Lovers," if there are no vocal anti-Israel voices that condemn the U.S. for its historical alliance with Israel. Otherwise, the marginally peaceful Arab communities, in some European countries, could become quite obstreperous. Not to mention a problem for cold winters, without oil.
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Foofie
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 07:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

These guys who call all of us anti-Semites are ignorant and pretty stupid. That Foofie would even suggest that
Quote:
the world seems to not want Jews on the planet
show the extremes to which that always proves they feel victimized. It's beyond silly.

None of them can challenge the facts and figures we present here to prove a) that Israel is an apartheid state, b) Palestinians do not have legal rights, c) the Jews of Israel continue to expand settlements onto Palestinian lands, d) the world community have labeled their military occupation as illegal, and e) they'll never find peace.

Pretty sorry bunch of people~! They can't even see the unethical behavior of their own sins against others, and they keep reminding the world about the holocaust.


Those Palestinean lands are Jordanean lands. Israel was nice not to ship them to Jordan after the 1967 war.
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Foofie
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 07:31 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

All of those things, with some permutations, can also be said of the USA. And the USA has been at it for two centuries. Why don't you address those issues too, CI, when they are much more serious than Israel?

This is one of the big mysteries of our times.


It really is simple. Picking on Jews was always considered an easy target. Bullies never pick on tough opponents. Most anti-Semites are bullies, in my opinion.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 07:39 pm
@Foofie,
You just don't know your history - about Israel or the US. Most people, even whites, were discriminated against in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Us Asians were discriminated against before, during, and after WWII.

You wrote,
Quote:
Most anti-Semites are bullies, in my opinion.


The problem with your opinion is that you fail to understand why most people have posted negatives about Israel. You don't want to hear facts or the amount of innocent Pals killed by the Jews in Israel. That wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else in the world.

You need to wash your brain with clorox; that's the only hope you have of understanding what Israel is - to the rest of the world - a pariah.
Foofie
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 07:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You just don't know your history - about Israel or the US. Most people, even whites, were discriminated against in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Us Asians were discriminated against before, during, and after WWII.

You wrote,
Quote:
Most anti-Semites are bullies, in my opinion.


The problem with your opinion is that you fail to understand why most people have posted negatives about Israel. You don't want to hear facts or the amount of innocent Pals killed by the Jews in Israel. That wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else in the world.

You need to wash your brain with clorox; that's the only hope you have of understanding what Israel is - to the rest of the world - a pariah.



You were doing so well, without the pejorative ad-hominems, until you started to talk about "clorox."

The point I was making is that regardless of whether Israel has killed "X" or "Y" number of Palestineans, it is a drop in the bucket, compared to other adversarial situations in the world TODAY. So, while I do not subscribe to JTT's feelings about the U.S.A., I do agree that the focus on Israel, by some forum members, seems to resemble an obsession, since the same posters also would say, I believe, that all human life is of value, and then I have to wonder why not a word is said, by these posters, about the loss of human life due to car bombings in Middle Eastern cities, or a civil war going on in Syria. My conclusion is that some people just get hung up on the perpetrator, and it gauls many a Gentile to think of a Jew as doing anything that doesn't reflect bending over backwards for obstreperous adversaries.

You are so involved with Israel that I have to wonder if your comments are helping Japan maintain its oil for the cold winter, and their population of speedy cars? Since Japan is not an enemy today, even American-Japanese might feel concerned for their Asian relatives in Japan. Not you of course, but Japan is getting quite a reputation for being anti-Semitic and anti-Israel. God forbid if the Arabs ever think of the Japanese as "Jew Lovers" - perhaps, no oil for winter?
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 08:28 pm
Quote:
Foofie said:...in my opinion, many Europeans are afraid the Muslim world might start calling Europeans "Jew Lovers," if there are no vocal anti-Israel voices that condemn the U.S. for its historical alliance with Israel.

As a Christian I'm neutral and unbiased regarding the Jews v Muslims thing, but I do believe in fair play.
That's why I've always said Israel had no right to invade Palestine and take it off them in 1967.
It was called "The Six-Day War" but the fact is it's been continuing a lot longer than that on both sides, 47 years with no end in sight.

The Koran adds motivation to what muslims see as a just cause-
[Koran 17.33] "..do not kill any one whom Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause"

And lumps Jews and Christians together-
[Koran 5.51] "Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other"

So although the muslim world can never like us, at least they wouldn't hate us so much if we cut our ties with Israel.
Obama recently took a step in that direction when he cut a deal with the Iranians to let them continue building nuke reactors, a decision that put a smile on muslim faces but outraged Israel-

Reuters:-"This is a very bad deal and Israel utterly rejects it," Netanyahu said.
"Israel will do everything it needs to do to defend itself and to defend the security of its people," he told reporters.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/08/iran-nuclear-israel-idUSL5N0IT14220131108
Advocate
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 09:08 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

What has Israel ever done for us?



It took all those displaced people after WWII that were making London seem like a foreign country. That's really the nut. No one wants a large concentration of Jews in their country. In fact, the world seems to not want Jews on the planet.

Only the non-Jews that run the world, find Jews a resource for innovation. So, the teeming masses just find Jews expendable. It must be hard to accept the fact that one is just part of the teeming masses? In effect, blame the Jews for Arab anti-Americanism. Meaning Arabs had every right to have tried to annihilate Israel (unsuccessfully four times), and now it makes sense to make a non-people, with a non-land more legitimate than Israel.

Typical self-serving Goyisha kup, in my opinion.


Wow, those are really dumb statements. The residents of any country are very unhappy when many immigrants arrive. For instance, there was tremendous objections and hatred regarding the arrival of the Irish, Chinese, et al., in the USA. European countries are deeply unhappy with the large number of Muslims, et al., coming to their shores. In fact, I wager there is much more unahappiness relative the arrival of Muslims as compared to the arrival of Jews.
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Advocate
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 09:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

These guys who call all of us anti-Semites are ignorant and pretty stupid. That Foofie would even suggest that
Quote:
the world seems to not want Jews on the planet
show the extremes to which that always proves they feel victimized. It's beyond silly.

None of them can challenge the facts and figures we present here to prove a) that Israel is an apartheid state, b) Palestinians do not have legal rights, c) the Jews of Israel continue to expand settlements onto Palestinian lands, d) the world community have labeled their military occupation as illegal, and e) they'll never find peace.

Pretty sorry bunch of people~! They can't even see the unethical behavior of their own sins against others, and they keep reminding the world about the holocaust.


What a stupid statement. Palestinian Israelis have the very same rights that non-Pal Israelis have. The Pals outside Israel have none of the rights that Israeli citizens have. Get it!!!!!!!!!!
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 09:22 pm
@Advocate,
Once again, from Wiki.
Quote:
Israel and the apartheid analogy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel and the apartheid analogy is a comparison between Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and South Africa's treatment of non-whites during its apartheid era.[1]
The analogy has been used by scholars, United Nations investigators, human rights groups and critics of Israeli policy, some of which have also accused Israel of committing the crime of apartheid.[2][3] Critics of Israeli policy say that "a system of control" in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, including Jewish-only settlements, the ID system, separate roads for Israeli and Palestinian citizens, military checkpoints, discriminatory marriage law, the West Bank barrier, use of Palestinians as cheap labour, Palestinian West Bank enclaves, inequities in infrastructure, legal rights, and access to land and resources between Palestinians and Israeli residents in the Israeli-occupied territories resembles some aspects of the South African apartheid regime, and that elements of Israel's occupation constitute forms of colonialism and of apartheid, which are contrary to international law.[4] Some commentators extend the analogy, or accusation, to include Arab citizens of Israel, describing their citizenship status as second-class.[12]
Advocate
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 09:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Once again, from Wiki.
Quote:
Israel and the apartheid analogy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel and the apartheid analogy is a comparison between Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and South Africa's treatment of non-whites during its apartheid era.[1]
The analogy has been used by scholars, United Nations investigators, human rights groups and critics of Israeli policy, some of which have also accused Israel of committing the crime of apartheid.[2][3] Critics of Israeli policy say that "a system of control" in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, including Jewish-only settlements, the ID system, separate roads for Israeli and Palestinian citizens, military checkpoints, discriminatory marriage law, the West Bank barrier, use of Palestinians as cheap labour, Palestinian West Bank enclaves, inequities in infrastructure, legal rights, and access to land and resources between Palestinians and Israeli residents in the Israeli-occupied territories resembles some aspects of the South African apartheid regime, and that elements of Israel's occupation constitute forms of colonialism and of apartheid, which are contrary to international law.[4] Some commentators extend the analogy, or accusation, to include Arab citizens of Israel, describing their citizenship status as second-class.[12]



There is no valid anology. South Africa treated black "citizens" of SA differently. Israel treats Muslim "citizens" exactly the same. Is that too complicated for you?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 09:49 pm
@Advocate,
You wrote,
Quote:
Israel treats Muslim "citizens" exactly the same.


Please provide a CREDIBLE SOURCE for this outrageous claim?
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 09:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCTTh9t_G_c&hd=1
Advocate
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 09:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You wrote,
Quote:
Israel treats Muslim "citizens" exactly the same.


Please provide a CREDIBLE SOURCE for this outrageous claim?


See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

What is the souce of your claim?
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