Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

Spare us the Pal propaganda. It is worthless.

You are obviously brain dead. You're now on my Ignore list.

No, Palestinians are against the US because we are the good guys and Palestinians are freaks who like murdering innocent people.



The Europeans are hardly interested in justice. They recently made 1967 borders nearly impossible when they torpedoed the Oslo Accords.

And they have no power to administer anything to Israel.



The West Bank is Israel's ancient homeland. It would not have belonged to the Palestinians unless it had been given to them as part of a negotiated peace deal.

The Palestinians and their rabid supporters have virtually guaranteed that this will never happen.



The legitimate owners of their ancient homeland are not stealing anything.

The only thing that could have made the Palestinians the owner of that land would have been if the Palestinians had agreed to peacefully accept 1967 borders.



Your anti-Semitism is as vile as always.

Israel will not do that without a peace agreement. And they will destroy anyone who tries to force them to.

And if they did do such a thing without a peace agreement, it would probably very quickly become necessary to eradicate the Palestinians in self defense.



It hardly amounts to propping them up.

And no we shouldn't. First, Israel are fellow good guys, and we like helping our friends. And second, if we stopped, it would make a war more likely. (A war that Israel would still win, I might add.)



It is because we recognize that Israel are in the right, and are our friends.

We LIKE helping them out.

We also recognize that Israel is not the reason that Muslims try to murder us.

Win? I'm not so sure..
Israel is just a tiny patch of ground barely visible on this map compared to her big muslim neighbours-



so just half a dozen muslim nuclear bombs would stomp Israel out of existence.
The few Israeli survivors would launch a massive nuke counterstrike against every muslim city in the mideast but at the end of the day Israel would still be a smouldering charred radioactive wasteland and there'd still be huge numbers of muslim survivors.

The back and forth of a nuclear war might well bring on deadly radiation throughout the world. This is all the more reason the world should get the Pals to come to the table and negotiate reasonably.

That is simply delusional, Advocate. The Palestinians are hardly the problem.


"The media are a pitiful lot. They don't give us any history, they don't give us any analysis, they don't tell us anything. They don't raise the most basic questions: Who has the most weapons of mass destruction in the world by far? Who has used weapons of mass destruction more than any other nation? Who has killed more people in this world with weapons of mass destruction than any other nation? The answer: the United States."
--Howard Zinn

Both the USA and Israel have been stalling on this forever.

True, and if nuclear weapons are used the effect will be felt for thousands of years bringing about human mutations and cancers galore.



Why do you assiduously try to shift the blame exclusively to the Palestinians, Advocate. The Pals ask the Israelis to discontinue building settlements in the West Bank as a show of good faith, and the Zionist's action said in effect "screw you." The US also said the Israelis could keep building because this would not impact the outcome of the Peace talks. And an even more contemptuous action came during Vice President Biden's visit to Israel two years ago when the Israeli government flagrantly announced they would build a new settlement, thereby embarrassing the VP of the US, indicating to his face they were not going to stop building where they want to. Of course Hillary Clinton went on national TV and publicly lambasted the Israelis for their lack of respect to the VP......and that was that! The rogue nation continues to get its 3.1 Billion annually.

"The movement calling for the boycott, divestiture and sanction of Israel is gaining momentum globally.

"At the height of its military - particularly nuclear - and economic power, Israel is feeling uncharacteristically vulnerable; but this time the threat is ironically coming from a nonviolent movement anchored in international law and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Last June, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu effectively declared the Palestinian-led global Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement a "strategic threat" to Israel's regime of occupation, colonization and apartheid by deciding to assign the overall responsibility for fighting against the BDS to the ministry of strategic affairs.

"This dramatic shift reflects the failure of Israel's well-oiled "Brand Israel" campaign, run by the foreign ministry since BDS was launched in 2005, which sees culture as a propaganda tool and whose logic is to use Israeli artists and writers to show the world "Israel's prettier face".

"The realization by many people of conscience around the world that Israel's impunity can be brought to an end only through popular internal resistance coupled with effective, morally-consistent and sustained international pressure and accountability, has given great impetus to BDS campaigns. Israel's brutal and illegal blockade of Gaza; its untamed construction of illegal settlements and a separation wall in the occupied West Bank; its "strategy of Judaisation" in Jerusalem, the Galilee, the Jordan Valley and the Naqab (Negev), as a ranking UN official reports; its adoption of new racist laws; and its denial of the rights of refugees, have all alienated many of its hitherto supporters."

www.factsandlogic.org/FLAME_hotline_011414.html‎

www.blogforarizona.com/.../bds-movement-gaining-momentum.html?...‎

www.bdsmovement.net/tag/israel‎
http://m.aljazeera.com/story/201312225320764121

Mit: the Israelis for their lack of respect to the VP......and that was that!

Why on earth should war criminals be deserving of respect?

Mit: The rogue nation continues to get its 3.1 ... .

The hypocrisy, the ******* hypocrisy!!

MiT: True, and if nuclear weapons are used the effect will be felt for thousands of years bringing about human mutations and cancers galore.

Yeah and that could affect Americans. We don't give a **** when it happens to others but it is totally unacceptable to spread that **** on us.

There is no Palestine. The land went from the Ottoman Empire to Jordan. Jordan lost a war in 1967, and Israel wound up with a population of expatriate Arabs.

As it is with the vast majority of your posts, Foofie, you are badly out of touch with reality.

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UNITED NATIONS The United Nations voted overwhelmingly Thursday to recognize a Palestinian state, a long-sought victory for the Palestinians but an embarrassing diplomatic defeat for the United States.

The resolution upgrading the Palestinians' status to a nonmember observer state at the United Nations was approved by a more than two-thirds majority of the 193-member world body -- a vote of 138-9, with 41 abstentions. The Vatican is the only other entity in the U.N. that shares the same status.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/un-general-assembly-votes-to-recognize-palestinian-state/

O.K. But, the question might then be who can really win in this scenario. No one, I would think. So, maybe western powers should not put all their chips on making the Israelis change their minds, since they once did the Masada thing (look it up on Wikipedia). I would try to reason with the Arabs, since they have this delusion that all the sand in the Middle East and North Africa belongs to them. Israel might just be following practices that correlate to eminent domain. Just making better use of some land.

Arguing with Israelis might be for naught, since they were even referred to as "stiffed necked Hebrews" by the Egyptian pharohs. The Arabs might be more amenable to reason?

Also, Israelis might be dealing with what I would call PTHD (Post Traumatic Holocaust Disorder). If there is any validity to that, I would not want to know that after any nuclear conflagration. Perhaps, the western powers don't see the future that well, since they are so used to ordering Jews to be here or there (a la Fiddler on the Roof), they might not realize they are dealing with a nation with some real repressed anger. I would recommend that the western powers wake up and try to learn that the American Jew is not the Israeli Jew.

Sadly, as is true in so many other political and social controversies, it's simply a matter of whose ox gets gored.

Sadly, as is true in so many other political and social controversies, it's simply a matter of whose ox gets gored.

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Were that these were political or social in nature, WM. These discussions revolve around acts of genocide, crimes against humanity.

I'm sad to report that there would likely be more outrage among if it was oxen being slaughtered.

You're right. Guess which came first: Laws against child abuse or laws against cruelty to animals? You know the answer.

Although I may disagree with several specific statements you've made in some of your posts, I largely agree with you. For example, I appreciate the information you've recently posted about the extermination of the Indians in the U.S. (I don't know if this is really true; but I once read somewhere that Hitler was inspired by the way the Indians were treated, as well as by the Armenian genocide by the Turks.) Hollywood can be blamed, in part, for the whitewashing of this very dark aspect of American History. Keep posting all this information, JTT. Don't let the down-thumbers discourage you.

I don't know if this is really true ...

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And what's worse the war criminal John McCain thinks it's hunky dory that those pieces of scum got the medals.

Sad, isn't it? If a German politician today said that S.S. officers should be given medals, he would be just as outrageous as McCain.

Gotta go for now.

WM, you will want to check out the following thread.


http://able2know.org/topic/234422-1

Tell that to the muslims..