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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Advocate
 
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Tue 4 Feb, 2014 02:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Foot, You are one stupid Jew. International human rights organizations have declared the Jewish expansion of settlements as ILLEGAL.


These are organizations bought and paid for by Arab oil. Who appointed these organizations to make legal decisions?
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 4 Feb, 2014 02:13 pm
@Advocate,
You wrote,
Quote:
These are organizations bought and paid for by Arab oil.


You made the claim, now PROVE IT.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Tue 4 Feb, 2014 02:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
@Advocate,
You wrote,
These are organizations bought and paid for by Arab oil.



Quote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
You made the claim, now PROVE IT.


Israel has been most successful buying the Pro-Israel vote in the US congress. Both Republican and Democratic parties drink from the same AIPAC wellspring. The US Congress is bought and paid for lock stock and barrel by AIPAC - The American Israel Public Affairs Committee. There will never be peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians as long as the US practice a double standard and Israel is allowed to dictate foreign policy in the Middle East.

Justice might be in the hands of the Europeans who are not bias in favor of the Israelis.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 4 Feb, 2014 02:54 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
From Wiki.
Quote:
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy[1] is a book by John Mearsheimer, Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, and Stephen Walt, Professor of International Relations at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, published in late August 2007. It was a New York Times Best Seller.[2]
The book describes the lobby as a "loose coalition of individuals and organizations who actively work to steer U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction".[3] The book "focuses primarily on the lobby's influence on U.S. foreign policy and its negative effect on American interests".[4] The authors also argue that "the lobby's impact has been unintentionally harmful to Israel as well".[5]
Moment-in-Time
 
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Tue 4 Feb, 2014 03:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
From Wiki.
Quote:
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy[1] is a book by John Mearsheimer, Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, and Stephen Walt, Professor of International Relations at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, published in late August 2007. It was a New York Times Best Seller.[2]
The book describes the lobby as a "loose coalition of individuals and organizations who actively work to steer U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction".[3] The book "focuses primarily on the lobby's influence on U.S. foreign policy and its negative effect on American interests".[4] The authors also argue that "the lobby's impact has been unintentionally harmful to Israel as well".[5]


I have the entire manuscript in my archives.....captured the first day it was printed on line. It is a magnificent account of the hold Israel has over the US congress. You and I are on the same wavelength, Ci.
Advocate
 
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Tue 4 Feb, 2014 05:23 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
The Israel lobby may have been quite effective in getting the truth to the various congresses, et al. Of course, that is what lobbyists do for the most part, and it is entirely proper.

It is false to say that he lobby hurts America's interests. Israel has been a great ally of the USA in many ways. Also, Israel stands as the only democracy in the ME. It has served the USA militarily, inlcuding serving as a potential base in a ME crisis. It provides the USA an enormous amount of intelligence.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Tue 4 Feb, 2014 05:43 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
It provides the USA an enormous amount of intelligence.


Oh really?!? Wonder why they did not alert the W administration regarding 9/11 that Osama Bin Ladin was on his way? The reality, Advocate, is the US does not need Israel and has never needed Israel. Israel needs the US. Most of the Arab countries would turn cartwheels to be friendly with the US but Israel works against this. Their propaganda got rid of Saddam Hussein and if the Iraqis did not fight back, they would have gone ahead and attacked Iran and any other Arab country this paranoid Zionist country perceives as an enemy. You let AIPAC stop contributing funds to the US country and see how quickly the American congress drops Israel like a hot potato.

Jonathan Pollard, a Jewish-born American citizen spied for Israel and gave many classified documents to the Soviet Union during the cold war. The US had to spend billions to rewrite codes etc. Israel bombed the USS Liberty and got away with that. One of the main reasons given why Osama Bin Ladin attack against the US in 2001, on September 11, is listed below:

"In bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[3][4] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia,[4][5][6] U.S. support of Israel,[7][8] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks

The US has become a perrenial target because of Israel's enemies.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Tue 4 Feb, 2014 05:47 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Truth be known, Advocate, Israel is a liability to the US who is used as a battering ram for Israel against its Arab neighbors.
JTT
 
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Tue 4 Feb, 2014 08:05 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
An idiotic notion that defines you well, MiT.

Israel is all to blame for USA war crimes and terrorism the world over.
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Advocate
 
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Tue 4 Feb, 2014 09:08 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

Truth be known, Advocate, Israel is a liability to the US who is used as a battering ram for Israel against its Arab neighbors.


Let me get that straight. The USA is using Israel, which somehow makes Israel a liability. Were you drinking today?
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Advocate
 
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Tue 4 Feb, 2014 09:18 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

Quote:
It provides the USA an enormous amount of intelligence.


Oh really?!? Wonder why they did not alert the W administration regarding 9/11 that Osama Bin Ladin was on his way? The reality, Advocate, is the US does not need Israel and has never needed Israel. Israel needs the US. Most of the Arab countries would turn cartwheels to be friendly with the US but Israel works against this. Their propaganda got rid of Saddam Hussein and if the Iraqis did not fight back, they would have gone ahead and attacked Iran and any other Arab country this paranoid Zionist country perceives as an enemy. You let AIPAC stop contributing funds to the US country and see how quickly the American congress drops Israel like a hot potato.

Jonathan Pollard, a Jewish-born American citizen spied for Israel and gave many classified documents to the Soviet Union during the cold war. The US had to spend billions to rewrite codes etc. Israel bombed the USS Liberty and got away with that. One of the main reasons given why Osama Bin Ladin attack against the US in 2001, on September 11, is listed below:

"In bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[3][4] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia,[4][5][6] U.S. support of Israel,[7][8] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks

The US has become a perrenial target because of Israel's enemies.


You twist facts, and make up a lot of crap to slime Israel. God, are you a Pal?

Bin Laden made it very plain that 9/11 was because we had troops in the ME, parfticularly SA.

It is an outright lie that Pollard gave intell to the USSR. He spied for Israel only.

Bush and Cheney, both oilmen, attacked Iraq for its oil. Israel had nothing to do with it.

I could go on, but it wouldn't stop your lying. Tell us again about how the Muslims were all over the ME 2,000 years ago.

You are disgusting.

You really ae a disgusting liar.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 4 Feb, 2014 11:07 pm
@Advocate,
I doubt very much you understand the concept of disgusting. People who steal other peoples property and lands are disgusting, and you support the Jews of Israel who continue to expand settlements on Palestinian lands.
oralloy
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 02:51 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
But now Aipac, as the group is known, once again finds itself in a very public standoff with the White House. Its top priority, a Senate bill to impose new sanctions on Iran, has stalled after stiff resistance from President Obama, and in what amounts to a tacit retreat, Aipac has stopped pressuring Senate Democrats to vote for the bill.

Who says this was their top priority? That entire article sounds like anti-Semitic pabulum to me.
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 03:56 am
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 06:28 am
@Advocate,
Quote:

You twist facts, and make up a lot of crap to slime Israel. God, are you a Pal?

Bin Laden made it very plain that 9/11 was because we had troops in the ME, parfticularly SA.

It is an outright lie that Pollard gave intell to the USSR. He spied for Israel only.


"Pollard information:
In The Samson Option Hersh cites Ben-Menashe and an anonymous Israeli source in stating that US intelligence information stolen by convicted spy Jonathan Pollard had been "sanitized" and given by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir directly to the Soviet Union. This information was said to include US data and satellite pictures which were used by US forces for nuclear targeting against the USSR. These claims were subsequently denied by the military aide to Shamir, the then Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin, the Soviet official who was said to have received the information, and a Washington official.[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Samson_Option:_Israel's_Nuclear_Arsenal_and_American_Foreign_Policy#Pollard_information

Quote:
Bush and Cheney, both oilmen, attacked Iraq for its oil. Israel had nothing to do with it.


True, Bush and Cheney were both oil men, but W didn't know what the hell was going on in his own administration because Cheney was the de facto president. The temptation of Iraqi oil was overwhelming, inducing Israeli's success in getting the US to invade Iraq, a sovereign nation.

Israel was petrified of Saddam Hussein. During the first Gulf War, Deseert Storm, Bush senior and his "coalition of the willing" forced Iraq to leave Kuwait, a country Hussein had invaded. When the US and its coalition attacked outside of Iraq, Saddam sent missiles into Israel. The Zionist nation handed out gas masks to its citizen; it was believed by many in the Arab neighborhood that Saddam Hussein had nerve gas (this included Israel) and that some missiles containing such be used against Israel sometime in the future.

Bush Senior and the Coalition of the Willing did not invade Iraq but were content to kick Saddam out of Kuwait. Israel, however, remained nervously anxious that it could be attacked by the still very much alive Saddam Hussein. So when the very idiot-like Bush junior administration came into being, it was precisely what AIPAC wanted.......a greedy Cheney who would go to war for profiteering for his "former" company Halliburton and its subsidiaries. It took a special kind of US presidency, one without scruples or moral consideration to invade a sovereign nation that was of no threat to the country they resided in; Dick Cheney was just wha the Israelis needed.....a heartless, coldblooded repetilian politician. Once Obama is gone, the US might attack Iran at Israel/AIPAC's insistence, if another clone like Cheney gets the US presidency.

Quote:
Advocate wrote:

You are disgusting.
You really ae a disgusting liar.


My goodness, Advocate, I really must have touched a raw nerve. YOU believe me, I know you do, or why else would you throw such a tantrum!?!. You're not quite as stupid as some of your sidekicks. Alas, at a loss for words you accuse me of drinking, and call me a "disgusting liar." Actually, the latter fits you *PERFECTLY!*. The truth hurts a lot, doesn't it?!?

Have a good day my fellow poster.
Foofie
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 09:34 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Foot, You are one stupid Jew. International human rights organizations have declared the Jewish expansion of settlements as ILLEGAL.


How is a religion germane to my intelligence? Unless you have issues with Jews? Is it my superiority complex that you have antipathy towards? It is also my opinion that Europeans are more creatively intelligent than Asians, since Asians manufacture much of what was developed originally by Europeans. In other words, Asians, in my opinion are good imitators of Europeans, but they don't have their creativity, in my opinion.
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Foofie
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 09:43 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

Truth be known, Advocate, Israel is a liability to the US who is used as a battering ram for Israel against its Arab neighbors.


I guess you discount the concerns and opinions of 60 million American citizens that are bible believing Christians, and want Israel to not only survive, but inhabit all the lands in the bible, so bible prophecy can come to fruition.

That is so interesting how you have no concerns to your ignoring the desires of 60 million American citizens. Might you subscribe to a more universal religion, and not an American denomination?
Foofie
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 09:44 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I doubt very much you understand the concept of disgusting. People who steal other peoples property and lands are disgusting, and you support the Jews of Israel who continue to expand settlements on Palestinian lands.


I support the Chinese of China that are dealing with expansionist moves by the Japanese.
Miller
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 10:20 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

I doubt very much you understand the concept of disgusting.



Yes, CI, many posters do find you DISGUSTING. And for the record, why doesn't moment-in-time get a life or "get laid"?
Advocate
 
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Wed 5 Feb, 2014 11:06 am
@Moment-in-Time,
You buy into a lot of conspiracy theories that are unproven and downright silly. But, I guess, that is your right.
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