Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

What a fuckin' idiot. I contrasted them, you ignorant, dim-witted goshite. I did so after the subject of how Germans reacted to the NSDAP regime was brought up by our resident loud-mouthed Jew, Foofie "Look at me, Look at me, I'm a Jew and I want to advertise the fact."

Well, I do let people know that I am a Jew, since in my opinion many Gentiles have met many Jews that dissimulate their Jewishness, and (the Gentile) might feel sort of like the straight person that is not supposed to mention that he/she knows that an individual is gay (in the closet). It makes for a dishonest relationship. I have actually gotten positive responses, I believe, by being "open" about my Jewishness, since I have been mistaken for Italian, or even a light complected Hispanic. Oddly, many Italians seem to always know that I am Jewish. Hmmmm.

But, I am really not as loud mouthed as some others on this forum, in my opinion. I do try to emulate the WASPs that I admire, by being sort of quiet at times that others fly off the handle, so to speak.

Also, by being "in your face" Jewish, I believe I am sort of desensitizing many a Gentile from the fact that Jews do exist in the U.S., since many Americans live in areas where they have never met anyone that is Jewish, and they might be subscribing to all sort of misconceptions about how many horns or tails Jews have (being sarcastic for effect).

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

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Your comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is ludicrous and reprehensible.

Just as there was all levels of evil in Nazi Germany, so too there are all levels of evil in Israel. Evil is evil. The difference is degree.

There is no such objective thing as "evil." It is a man made construct. However, if one subscribes to standard ethics and morality there is sociopathology, or as originally referred to, psychopathology.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

What a fuckin' idiot. I contrasted them, you ignorant, dim-witted goshite. I did so after the subject of how Germans reacted to the NSDAP regime was brought up by our resident loud-mouthed Jew, Foofie "Look at me, Look at me, I'm a Jew and I want to advertise the fact."

Amazing how you read others' minds!

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In your case, that's not very difficult. You bring it up whenever you can, whether or not it is relevant to the discussion.

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@Foofie,

i wish i was a jew, horns and a tail sounds really cool

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By the way, i didn't accuse Foofie of being "in your face Jewish." I don't find him aggressive, just boring.

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@Robert Gentel,

Hold on Newt...

Who said the land in the map definitively "belonged" to the "Palestinians"?

Who exactly were these so-called "Palestinians" during the time period in question?

For what exact time period are you making said assertions?

By what rationale do you assert the time period in question to be the apropos one?

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@Foofie,

You have made Setanta downright shrill. I guess you have succeeded in exposing a large number of his lies and distortions, which are his stock in trade.

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@Advocate,

Please list for us Set's "shrill" lies and distortions? I want to see them for myself. No interpretations are necessary; only a cut and paste from his posts will suffice.

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@Chumly,

Not to speak for RG, but I think your questions deserve some answers.

Chumly wrote:

Hold on Newt...

Who said the land in the map definitively "belonged" to the "Palestinians"?

Nowhere in RG's post did I find the assertion that "the land in the map definitively 'belonged' to the 'Palestinians.'" Your question is a red herring.

If you're referring to the first map, it illustrates the extent of Zionist colonization up to the year 1946.

Certainly the Zionists and their abettors, the British Empire, didn't say that the land "definitively 'belonged'" to the Palestinians. I think and say it "definitively 'belonged'" to the people inhabiting that land. Judging by the tone of your interrogation I'm sure you think and say that it "definitively 'belongs'" to the Zionists. What we say, let alone think, however, stands for very little in this brouhaha.

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Who exactly were these so-called "Palestinians" during the time period in question?

The Palestinians were the indigenous people who inhabited this land during the time period. The Palestinian people have origins there dating back to Canaanite, Hebrew, and post-Hebrew times. Over the ages they subscribed to various religions including the many pagan religions of the area, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

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For what exact time period are you making said assertions?

The time period, as you will plainly see indicated in the map images, covers the years between 1946 and 2000.

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By what rationale do you assert the time period in question to be the apropos one?

The rationale by which the time period in question is asserted to be the apropos one was set forth by the powers that be in this conflict, namely the League of Nations in its British Mandate for Palestine and the United Nations through its General Assembly Resolution 181.

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@InfraBlue,

Infrablue, I like your stuff.

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@InfraBlue,

You have a vivid imagination when it comes to the Palestinians. To call them the indigenous people is a joke.

Indigenous People | Reference.com

ndigenous people are the earliest known people to inhabit an area. Another name for indigenous people are natives or aboriginal. Native Americans...see more. ... Indigenous People of Peru...
www.reference.com/motif/Society/indigenous-people www.reference.com/motif/Society/indigenous-people

No one knows who they really are.

The land area belonged to the Brits and, before that, the Turks. It was never the exclusive area of the Pals.

Jews lived in the area for centuries. Moreover, the Jews then took the initiative to fight the Brits and the Pals to form the first country in the area.

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@Advocate,

Indigenous, certainly.

Americans have been inhabiting the land now termed USA for less than 300 years.
Some of them a lot less than that.
Are you saying you will cede ownership to those who might have prior claim?

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

By the way, i didn't accuse Foofie of being "in your face Jewish." I don't find him aggressive, just boring.

Correct. Nor, did I accuse anyone of calling me that. I used it as an adjective to describe myself. What you did refer to me as was in this well thought out post:

"What a fuckin' idiot. I contrasted them, you ignorant, dim-witted goshite. I did so after the subject of how Germans reacted to the NSDAP regime was brought up by our resident loud-mouthed Jew, Foofie "Look at me, Look at me, I'm a Jew and I want to advertise the fact."

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

You have made Setanta downright shrill. I guess you have succeeded in exposing a large number of his lies and distortions, which are his stock in trade.

No. I have never "exposed" anything that he has posted. He might not agree with my postings, and states that in his well thought out replies.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

Indigenous, certainly.

Americans have been inhabiting the land now termed USA for less than 300 years.
Some of them a lot less than that.
Are you saying you will cede ownership to those who might have prior claim?

Now, if the "world-wide left" ever got their one-world government, then we all might be surprised how eminent domain would disenfranchise inhabitants from "their supposed land" that they have been sitting on for a few millenia. That would be because the hegemony of the land would go to those that could best utilized it for the better good of the world. So, in that scenario, I think there might be a disproportionate number of certain nationalities/ethnic groups "running things" for the "one-world."

Right now we have eminent domain, on an international basis, I believe, based on the power of capitalism or wars. But, regardless of the mode of take-over, the new regimes seem to always make the land/people more productive, except for the communist take-overs.

Also, I would give no land back to the Native Americans, since they are benefitting from the culture that they are living in. Plus, it would be silly to think the U.S. could revert back to a country where buffalo roamed freely. The European culture was just incompatible with the culture of the Native Americans. Was the New World supposed to be "set aside" for the benefits of the New World indigenous peoples, so they can continue their lifestyle into the far future? That would have been silly, I believe.

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@McTag,

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To that I would add that the Israeli security forces, and individuals within them, treat the Palestinians as Untermenschen. That fact is borne out by newsreel after newsreel.

When that stops (children have to be taught to hate) then progress will become possible.

Are you saying that there is no such thing as "Untermenschen" in the greater scheme of things, or just that the Palestineans are treated in an inferior manner?

There can only be Untermenschen if there are Ubermenschen. Well, perhaps there are Ubermenschen, and not based on ethnicity, but national culture. In that view, I do feel that Americans and British are Ubermenschen. Needless to say, only the Anglican Brits, and the Protestant Americans (in my opinion) would USUALLY qualify for the MOST Ubermenschen qualities.

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@djjd62,

djjd62 wrote:

i wish i was a jew, horns and a tail sounds really cool

And tomorrow is Halloween.

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djjd62 :

I know a village that is advertising for an idiot. I gave the village your name.

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Posted that comment on the other thread as well, but it seems to fit here, too:

Israel is proud to present: The aggressor-victim

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[...] We've always loved victimization, not only when we were real victims, as often was the case in our history, but also when we were the aggressors, occupiers and abusers. And we don't only cast ourselves as victims, but as the only victims. But observe our perception of our wrongdoing. It started with denial, then changed to suppression, then to shamelessness, then to dehumanization and demonization, until we arrived at the current stage: A pride parade.
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Do we really want to be proud of the soldiers ordering children to risk their lives, in violation of the law? Is this how we want the army to behave? Will Israeli public opinion never accept that war has rules and that if Israeli soldiers break them, they must be punished? True, they may have been carrying out orders, they may have been jaded and exhausted after three weeks of the assault on Gaza, as the court has heard. But casting them as victims testifies to the chaos overtaking Israel. [...]

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