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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 11:06 am
@oralloy,
From the Jerusalem Post report Hebrew U survey finds most Israelis and Palestinians support two-state solution
Quote:
A majority of Israelis and Palestinians, 63 percent and 53%, respectively, support a two-state solution, according to a survey released on Tuesday.

The survey, conducted by the Harry S. Truman Research Institute for the Advancement of Peace at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research in Ramallah, with the support of the Konrad Adenauer Stiftung in Ramallah and Jerusalem, addressed issues surrounding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including expectations regarding a permanent settlement, threat perceptions and US foreign policy under the Obama administration.

According to the findings, 54% of Israelis and 46% of Palestinians support a permanent- settlement package along the lines of the Clinton parameters proposed on December 23, 2000, which included a divided Jerusalem, a Palestinian state in the entirety of Judea, Samaria and the Gaza Strip except for several large blocs of settlements, and a demilitarized Palestinian state. These findings represent an increase in Palestinian support, up from 43%, and a decrease in Israeli support, down from 56%, for such a deal compared to that reported by a similar poll in December 2012.

Furthermore, 47% of the Israelis support, and 48% oppose, the dismantling of most of the settlements in the West Bank as part of a peace agreement with the Palestinians. Only 43% of Palestinians, compared to 58% of Israelis, agreed to mutual recognition as part of a permanent-status agreement after all issues in the conflict are resolved and a Palestinian state is established.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 1 Jan, 2014 11:12 am
From the JP NGO accuses Israel of torturing Palestinian children during winter storm
Quote:
According to the Public Defender’s Office, it learned of the issue during a standard visit to prison complex in Ramle at the height of the storm, with the children enduring freezing temperatures and inclement weather outside a transit facility.

The children were to be held outside for a number of hours overnight after their arrest until they were to be brought to court in the early morning.

Livni’s office confirmed that she had personally intervened.

It was unclear who within the Prisons Service initiated the practice, why it was initiated or who decided to continue it despite the adverse weather conditions, but the service responded that since it had received criticism the situation had been improved.


Today's Independent report: Israel government tortures Palestinian children by keeping them in cages, human rights group says
Foofie
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jan, 2014 11:40 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm sure all you Jews who are in support of Israel will accept your property taken away, and restrictions of movement on our freeways and roads - or get shot and killed.


You just encapsulated life in urban America, and not just amongst Jews.
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Foofie
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 11:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's also about the people of Israel who would choose to live in settlements they know are established form stolen lands. They have a choice, and their choice is to move into those settlements with the full understanding that they chose to live on stolen property. Ignorance is no excuse.


Land cannot be stolen from a non-state, unless you mean the West Bank belonged to the King of Jordan.
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Foofie
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 11:42 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Which Native American tribe's land does your house sit on, CI?


Isn't Canada in the same situation?
Foofie
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 11:45 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Eventually the Palestinians will all have to be deported to Gaza.


Perhaps, the euphemism used by England, when they sent people to Australia, would be better? "Transportation."
Foofie
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 11:46 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

oralloy wrote:
It is inadvisable to accept figures put forth by self-hating Jews. Such figures are very likely to be bogus.
So e.g. the Advisor on Interreligious Affairs to the Chief Rabbinate of Israel,, Director of the American Jewish Committee's Department of Interreligious Affairs,former Chief Rabbi of Ireland ... is actually a self-hating Jew as well as quite a few chairs of the Hebrew University Jerusalem and a lot more?


You don't identify with the common man? Unless of course it was your ancestors of "free farmers," in my opinion.
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Advocate
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 11:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

From the JP NGO accuses Israel of torturing Palestinian children during winter storm
Quote:
According to the Public Defender’s Office, it learned of the issue during a standard visit to prison complex in Ramle at the height of the storm, with the children enduring freezing temperatures and inclement weather outside a transit facility.

The children were to be held outside for a number of hours overnight after their arrest until they were to be brought to court in the early morning.

Livni’s office confirmed that she had personally intervened.

It was unclear who within the Prisons Service initiated the practice, why it was initiated or who decided to continue it despite the adverse weather conditions, but the service responded that since it had received criticism the situation had been improved.


Today's Independent report: Israel government tortures Palestinian children by keeping them in cages, human rights group says


A number of NGO's concerned with Pal-Israeli matters lie. The famed attorney Alan Dershowitz said he interviewed people in the NGO a few years ago and they admitted that Israel doesn't tortue, but that it is keeping the name to attract attention. The statements of the NGO should be given no credence.
Advocate
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 11:52 am
@Walter Hinteler,
You will never see any complaints about the Pal treatment of captured Israelis, which is because the captured are promptly slaughtered. This is similar to the German treatment of those captured during WWII and earlier.
Foofie
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 11:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler article posting wrote:

...A majority of Israelis and Palestinians, 63 percent and 53%, respectively, support a two-state solution, according to a survey released on Tuesday.


In our lifetime there were/are people that do think of Jews as a "nation" within a nation. That was the propaganda from the Nazis, as to why German Jews did not belong in Germany. So now Jews have their own nation, and much of the world is finding a reason to disenfranchise them from it. Do you see the morbid humor?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 11:56 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
A number of NGO's concerned with Pal-Israeli matters lie. The famed attorney Alan Dershowitz said he interviewed people in the NGO a few years ago and they admitted that Israel doesn't tortue, but that it is keeping the name to attract attention. The statements of the NGO should be given no credence.
From the above JP-link:
Quote:
he practice of placing the children in outdoor cages was halted when Justice Minister Tzipi Livni learned of it and immediately telephoned Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch, telling him to end the practice.[...]
Livni’s office confirmed that she had personally intervened.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 12:01 pm
@Advocate,
You're still ignoring the numbers! When you want to discuss "slaughter," you need to keep the numbers comparison in the front of your forehead. Jews slaughtering of children has no comparison to the Palestinians against Jewish children.

Here's more reporting of the IDF mistreatment of Palestinian children. They are all anti-Semites.

Quote:
In 2012, Breaking the Silence, an organization founded by former Israeli soldiers whose purpose is to expose alleged abuses committed by the Israeli Defense Forces released a booklet of witness reports written by more than 30 former Israeli soldiers. These reports document of Palestinian children being beaten, intimidated, humiliated, verbally abused and injured by Israeli soldiers. [44][45]


Why would these ex-soldiers reveal these atrocities against the IDF? What would they gain from such revelations?
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jan, 2014 12:04 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
This is similar to the German treatment of those captured during WWII and earlier.
With earlier, you mean WWI, I suppose (those two wars have been the only, where Germany was involved ... and the 1870/71 war.)

I'm a bit engaged in treatment of POW's ... in France. A friend recently wrote his PhD about it and I'm transferring my archive and collection to amuseum and archive there.
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpsb37be9be.jpg

I don't think that in any war Germany (or any other involved nation) took children as POW - but I'm sure, you know better here again.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 12:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
All from a Google search.

Quote:
Jewish settlers rejoice at death of 4 Palestinian children ~ by ...
occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/.../jewish-settlers-rejoice-at-death-of-4-...‎
Oct 22, 2013 - TEHRAN, Oct. 21 (MNA) –Airing of the news about death of 4 Palestinian children by Israel's Channel 2 has caused Jewish settlers to rejoice at ...
Jewish settlers 'kill Palestinian girl' | Mail Online - Daily Mail
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article.../Jewish-settlers-kill-Palestinian-girl.ht...
On Friday, Palestinian gunmen killed a Jewish settler couple, one of their 10 children and the soldier in an ambush near the West Bank city of Hebron on Friday.
Five Palestinian children injured after Israeli settlers set fire to their ...
rt.com/news/palestinian-children-settler-attack-738/‎
Nov 14, 2013 At least five Palestinian children were injured after settlers torched their ... Or better still use your own child to blow himself up so as to kill a Jew.
Israeli admits shooting at Palestinian children on TV game show ...
www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=650216


These examples only shows how inhumane some Jews are, and the more people know about these atrocities around the world, the world will be a better place. Their support for Israel's Jews will diminish as they should.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 12:06 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
In our lifetime there were/are people that do think of Jews as a "nation" within a nation. That was the propaganda from the Nazis, as to why German Jews did not belong in Germany. So now Jews have their own nation, and much of the world is finding a reason to disenfranchise them from it. Do you see the morbid humor?
I'm not involved in any activity of the Hebrew University, Foofie. You should ask them. (And you could have done it since 2000, because those polls are since that time.)
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 12:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Jews are disenfranchised when they treat other minorities as they have been discriminated against under Hitler. It seems Jews have not really learned anything from their own experience.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 12:10 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

You will never see any complaints about the Pal treatment of captured Israelis, which is because the captured are promptly slaughtered.


God you're stupid. Don't you ever check things out before you post your bullshit?

Quote:
The Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange (Hebrew: עסקת שליט‎; Arabic: صفقة شاليط‎) followed an agreement between Israel and Hamas to release Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for 1,027 prisoners – mainly Palestinians and Arab-Israelis, though among the prisoners released there was also a Ukrainian prisoner, a Jordanian prisoner, and a Syrian prisoner.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange

Given that Israel views the life of one Israeli soldier as being worth that of 1027 Palestinians, what possible motivation is there for killing a prisoner?

The reason there are no complaints about the treatment of Israeli prisoners is there aren't many. It's a modern army against a rag tag operation with some Soviet era small arms.
Advocate
 
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Wed 1 Jan, 2014 12:11 pm
@izzythepush,
Shalit was the exception who proved the rule.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jan, 2014 12:13 pm
@Advocate,
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

I guess Jews learned that lesson very well!
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 1 Jan, 2014 12:14 pm
@Advocate,
Exceptions don't prove rules, they disprove them. In any event it shows your statement to be false.

Quote:
the captured are promptly slaughtered.


Shalit was not slaughtered.
 

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