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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
JTT
 
  3  
Sun 29 Dec, 2013 09:02 pm
@oralloy,
You have no hope of leaving the world a better place, Oralboy,
considering just how tight you seem to wanna be with the most
evil.

Would you like to have lived all your sixteen years having been terrorized by
a powerful but amoral country?

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JTT
 
  2  
Sun 29 Dec, 2013 09:05 pm
@RABEL222,
You are either terribly confused or you are making some sick joke, Rabel.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 29 Dec, 2013 09:09 pm
@RABEL222,
That's about Israel too! LOL
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JTT
 
  2  
Sun 29 Dec, 2013 09:17 pm
@RABEL222,
"The USS Liberty"

And you two jokers don't even see the irony.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 30 Dec, 2013 12:00 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

The German people gave full support to the Nazis, who slaughtered 6 million Jews, most of whom were German citizens, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, 10,000 Catholic priests, et al.
I really don't know if one can say that "the German people gave full support to the Nazis" - but I do think that it wasn't the fact. (At least, there's enough data to contradict this)

But what I do know - and actually anyone else besides you does so - is that about 500,000 Jews lived 1933 in Germany. I'm not sure (actually I sincerely doubt it) that all the others were German citizens as well.

The slaughter of 20 million Russians happened during a war - you shouldn't forget to mention the number of slaughtered Americans, British, Canadian, Australians .... as well.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 04:09 am
@Advocate,
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.TAB1.1.GIF
Source: R.J. Rummel, DEMOCIDE: NAZI GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER, Chapter1, 20,946,000 Victims: Nazi Germany 1933 To 1945


Nazis may have killed up to 20m, claims 'shocking' new Holocaust study (Telegraph, 04 Mar 2013)
Quote:
[...]Up until now, the Holocaust is thought to have consumed between five and six million Jews, with an estimated further six million other people also murdered by the Nazi regime.
The new figures of 15 to 20 million, which have astonished some Holocaust historians, come after thirteen years of painstaking study at Washington's Holocaust Memorial Museum. Historians at the museum brought together and studied the huge amount, and often disparate, files and research on the Holocaust.
"The results of our research are shocking," Geoffrey Megargee, the director of the study, told The Independent newspaper. "We are putting together numbers that no one ever compiled before, even for camp systems that have been fairly well researched - and many of them have not been."

The research covered some 42,400 camps and ghettos across Europe, and also included forced-labour camps and Nazi "care" centres where pregnant women were forced to have an abortion or had their child killed right after giving birth. It also drew in camps, prisons and killing grounds used by Nazi puppet regimes in countries such as France and Romania.
The number of locations is almost double previous estimates made by the same institution and, all told, they may have imprisoned and killed between 15 to 20 million people.

"The numbers are so much higher than what we originally thought," Hartmut Berghoff, director of the German Historical Institute in America, said in an interview after learning of the new data. "We knew before how horrible life in the camps and ghettos was but the numbers are unbelievable.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 07:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
From the Guardian letters page.
Quote:
Anniversary of the war on Gaza
'Today marks five years since the Israeli military launched a series of missile and ground attacks on Gaza, which Israel named ‘Operation Cast Lead’. According to the UN, 1,383 Palestinians died as a result. These fatalities include 333 children.
And what of the survivors? For the 1.7 million living in the tiny Gaza Strip, life has become increasingly desperate due to Israel’s ongoing blockade, backed by Egypt, and with no effective challenge from governments around the world. The blockade has brought electricity cuts of 16 hours a day, which means the only street lights visible to people at night have been those from Israel’s nearby towns. The electricity shortages have severely affected almost all essential services, including health, water, sanitation and schooling. With waste plants not operating as a result, Palestinian children have been wading through freezing sewage to attend school.
The terrible floods in Gaza brought the promise of increased electricity supplies for a few weeks, but the international community must demand the electricity supply is constant and permanent.
This blockade has also resulted in unacceptable limits on personal freedom. Most Palestinians are prevented from travelling outside Gaza, an area of 139 sq miles: about the same size, but much more densely populated, as Newcastle.
It is deplorable for us to allow this on-going collective punishment against Palestinians in Gaza. We urge the UK government to take immediate action to bring about an end to the blockade on Gaza.'
Baroness Blackstone
Peter Bottomley MP
Richard Burden MP
Martin Caton MP
Katy Clark MP
Michael Connarty MP
Jeremy Corbyn MP
Alex Cunningham MP
Lord Dubs
Mark Durkan MP
Lord Dykes
John Hemming MP
Julian Huppert MP
Lord Hylton
Hugh Lanning, Palestine Solidarity Campaign
Lord Judd
Caroline Lucas MP
Sir Gerald Kaufman MP
George Mudie MP
Grahame Morris MP
Sandra Osborne MP
Lord Phillips of Sudbury
Rt Hon Dame Joan Ruddock MP
Andy Slaughter MP
Baroness Tonge
Yasmin Qureshi MP
David Ward MP
Mike Weir MP
JTT
 
  2  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 11:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
"The Holocaust Memorial Museum" located in the USA.

How bloody ironic!
Foofie
 
  1  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 06:43 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

The U S of A sailors on the U S S Liberty might qualify.


Notice how six years after the end of the European theater of WWII, Germans were an ally (i.e. the Berlin Airlift). Today there are still people that will not accept Israel as an ally, due to that one sad incident. Where did the U.S. lose more men?
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 06:54 pm
@Foofie,
It's never about "losing more men." That's the reason Germany and Japan are US's major allies.

It seems Jews have a funny way to rationalize what they did and continue to do as acceptable behavior. It's not - by the world community.

Israel knows how to isolate themselves from the rest of the world, and they wonder why their friends are no longer friends.

Wonder of wonders.
Foofie
 
  1  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 07:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's never about "losing more men." That's the reason Germany and Japan are US's major allies.

It seems Jews have a funny way to rationalize what they did and continue to do as acceptable behavior. It's not - by the world community.

Israel knows how to isolate themselves from the rest of the world, and they wonder why their friends are no longer friends.

Wonder of wonders.


You are making no cogent argument. In my opinion, you are just making emotional statements that hammer home your pejorative opinions about Jews and Israel. Were you holding all these opinions in, when you worked for a Jewish owned firm?
JTT
 
  2  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 07:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Germany and Japan are USA allies because they knew the USA was
the most successful band of gangsters in the world.
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JTT
 
  2  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 07:16 pm
@izzythepush,
These folks who signed can't be too bright, Iz. They don't really expect
the war criminals running uk government to give a ****, do they?
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JTT
 
  1  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 07:20 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Not to downplay the enormity of the Final Solution but 6 million Jews
versus 10.5 million people of eastern Slavic origin. Why has the Holocaust
received all the press?
oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 07:42 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
Today there are still people that will not accept Israel as an ally, due to that one sad incident.

Those people are anti-Semites. The only reason they don't accept Israel is their own anti-Semitism.
oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 07:43 pm
@Foofie,

cicerone imposter wrote:
It seems Jews have a funny way to rationalize what they did and continue to do as acceptable behavior.

Hardly. The fact that they are not doing anything wrong means that there is nothing that they need to rationalize.


cicerone imposter wrote:
It's not

You Nazis sure like falsely accusing Jews of fictitious wrongdoing.


cicerone imposter wrote:
by the world community.

Why do you anti-Semitic scum always pretend that you "speak for the world".

You don't. The world finds your Naziism repugnant.


cicerone imposter wrote:
Israel knows how to isolate themselves from the rest of the world, and they wonder why their friends are no longer friends.
Wonder of wonders.

No, Israel's friends remain their friends.

That will not change, no matter how much you Nazis whine about it.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 07:44 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
You are making no cogent argument. In my opinion, you are just making emotional statements that hammer home your pejorative opinions about Jews and Israel.

CI is an anti-Semitic scumbag. When he rants like this, he's just being himself.
oralloy
 
  0  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 07:45 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Not to downplay the enormity of the Final Solution but 6 million Jews
versus 10.5 million people of eastern Slavic origin. Why has the Holocaust
received all the press?

The Nazis made a point of openly hunting Jews with a large public campaign of anti-Semitic propaganda. The others, they killed when they found them, but they did not put huge publicity into hunting them all down.

Also, Jewish victims could all be counted as single large group of 6 million. Most of the non-Jewish victims were not part of a single large group of victims.


In the end though, there should not be a disparity in how genocide is viewed. The problem in my view is not that the Jewish victims of Hitler are given too much press, but rather I think the problem is that the world ignores most other genocides.

If every single occurrence of genocide received the same coverage that the Nazi slaughter of Jews is given, the world would not be nearly so tolerant of genocide.
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JTT
 
  1  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 07:54 pm
@JTT,
I remember recently reading about someone who said a similar
thing about the statue of liberty. Something along the lines of,

that the Statue of Liberty ended up in the USA is one of the great
ironies of history.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 30 Dec, 2013 08:06 pm
@Foofie,
It's not cogent to you because your head is full of yourself! Jews stealing Palestinian lands is ILLEGAL in accordance with all international laws.
 

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