Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

@Moment-in-Time,

Jaysus h keeeerist you are a hypocrite, MiT.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Followed by a joint Chinese and Russian attack on Israel and the West. We went through all that **** during the Cold War, and it only ends one way.

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Romeo prophesied: I envisage a muslim nuke strike against Tel Aviv, resulting in Israel launching a massive nuke counter-strike against every muslim city and town in the mideast
Izzy said: Followed by a joint Chinese and Russian attack on Israel and the West. We went through all that **** during the Cold War, and it only ends one way.

But after Tel Aviv is wiped out by a muslim nuke, and every muslim town and city is wiped out by Israeli nuke retaliation, why should China and Russia want to get involved?
My bet is that they and most world governments will prefer to do nothing at all because they'll be secretly glad that millions of muslims have been wiped out.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Why indeed when a key American ally launches a, largely unprovoked attack on Russian and Chinese interests. It's WW3.

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@izzythepush,

Speaking of countries "interests", Churchill neatly summed up the typical politician's view when he said-
"In war one has neither friends nor enemies, only interests"
In other words governments will only do things if it's in their own interest, they won't get involved in anything that they won't stand to gain from.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

I'm not so sure that holds true when we look at the losses we put ourselves into with the illegal wars in Vietnam and Iraq; who won?

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@Moment-in-Time,

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Now people look at native Americans with idealised romanticism, but that wasn't always the case.

Izzy, oops, my bad! I believe I have misinterpreted your post. Are you saying "now people look at native Americas with idealized romanticism.....?"

I don't see this. I see Native Americans successful in owning some casinos, but the decimation from epidemics and pandemics — all of which can be attributed to Europeans, many moons ago left these tribes very few in number. Today there are 2.4 million Native Americans. Some still live on reservations and some are chronic drunks who die prematurely from government handouts that are not too healthy. My father was adopted when he was 6 months old by a rather wealthy white family, so he was spared the worse that many other minorities experience when growing up in racist America.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

You,

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Israel will wait til another country initiates nuclear war.

You must not be keeping up with news from Israel. Israel has real fears about Syria and Iran, and they keep up the rhetoric about what they would do in the event they are attacked by chemical weapons.

Once they "think" they will be attacked, they will be the offending country against those Muslim countries. They have no qualms about taking property away from Palestinians. What do you think their mind-set is about striking first? Don't forget; what the Jews are doing in Israel is against international laws. Do you really think they care?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You,
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Israel will wait til another country initiates nuclear war.

You must not be keeping up with news from Israel. Israel has real fears about Syria and Iran, and they keep up the rhetoric about what they would do in the event they are attacked by chemical weapons.

Once they "think" they will be attacked, they will be the offending country against those Muslim countries. They have no qualms about taking property away from Palestinians. What do you think their mind-set is about striking first? Don't forget; what the Jews are doing in Israel is against international laws. Do you really think they care?

Yes, I think they care. Otherwise, they would have retaliated when Saddam Hussein sent missiles into Israel with no provocation. Notice how you equate property to nuclear war. I guess you have a low opinion of the Israeli politicians, since the military does not protect the country without civilian direction. But, you possibly know better, since you are such a scholar of Israeli politics.

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@Foofie,

What you are saying is that both the people of Israel and the US are
war criminals urging their governments to commit war crimes.

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Cicerone said: the illegal wars in Vietnam and Iraq; who won?

By defeating the Cong, America hoped to be able to establish permanent bases in South Vietnam after the war was over to maintain a foothold in Southeast Asia, so the Nam War was basically a "land grab" attempt by USA, but in fairness to the US, the S. Vietnam government did invite America to come in and help them.
Same in WW2, Britain stood alone for two years because America wouldn't come into the war until it was in her interest to do so.

The Iraq war was a different kettle of fish because of one word- OIL!
America will go into any mideast country at the drop of a hat to get a stake in its oil.. Wink

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Actually, it was Lord Palmerston (Henry Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston), who said (according to wikipedia/wikiquote) :
"Therefore I say that it is a narrow policy to suppose that this country or that is to be marked out as the eternal ally or the perpetual enemy of England. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."
Speech to the House of Commons (1 March 1848), Hansard’s Parliamentary Debates. 3rd series, vol. 97, col. 122.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

There was no S Vietnamese government, Romeo again fabulously wrong.
There was, of course, a US installed brutal dictatorship but that's a given.

The US never has gotten involved to help anyone but themselves, to
the wealth of others.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Britain was hardly alone. The us was making big bucks supplying
Germany and the UK. The US was playing the field knowing it would
Come out of WWII with all the marbles.

Greedy fucks from the get go cleverly hidden by heaps of propaganda.

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President Diem of Sth Vietnam undertook a ten-day state visit to the United States in 1957 and Pres Eisenhower pledged his continued support, and a parade was held in Diem's honor in New York City.
Diem wasn't perfect but at least was fervently anti-communist.
As Lyndon Johnson later said- "Diem's the only boy we got out there" in the fight against commie expansion, so America was only too glad to help.
Pres Kennedy said- "We have a problem making our power credible and Vietnam looks like the place"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

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@Foofie,

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Yes, I think they care. Otherwise, they would have retaliated when Saddam Hussein sent missiles into Israel with no provocation

That statement was pure bull. When Saddam Hussein sent missiles into Israel was during the first Gulf War, "Desert Storm."

President George Herbert Bush, senior, had gathered together a coalition of countries to help him oust Hussein from Kuwait. All of the members of the Coalition had to identify their planes by a code and any code not able to produce this was shot down! Israel was not allowed to join the coalition because the other Arab countries included in the Coalition would have dropped out because they had no intentions of fighting against their Arab brother along side Israel! Israel did not have a code and dared not enter the skies without fear of being shot down!

As soon as the war got under way, Saddam sent missiles into Israel. There was some motion in Israel that some planes took off.....the media reported on it.....but it did not strike back. That is the reason Israel did not strike back when Saddam sent missiles into Israel; had the Zionist nation broken its promise to the US coalition and cause them to fall apart, she might have sealed her own doom or at least ANGERED A VERY HOSTILE PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH AND HIS ILK!

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Again - Romeo fabulously wrong.

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@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

The murder of these unfortunate lost Israelis is certainly sad; however, this is the result, the acute consequences, of Israeli illegal occupation on Palestinian land.

There is no such thing as Palestinian land until such land is given to the Palestinians.

Israel has never occupied any of the land that they have given to the Palestinians.

Further, it should be remembered that these murders were the Palestinians' response to Israel peacefully trying to negotiate a return to 1967 borders (which would have given the Palestinians a whole lot more land, had the Palestinians not collapsed the peace talks with all their violence).

Moment-in-Time wrote:

How much can an enraged suppressed people take?! Eventually, they break, after all, you know, they are human!

Yes. It was so horrible for Israel to try to negotiate a peaceful return to 1967 borders. How could the poor Palestinians stand such negotiations.

(Note to the mentally challenged who may be reading this thread: the part about Palestinian "suffering" was sarcasm.)

Moment-in-Time wrote:

Many Israelis think of Palestnians as a subspecies and refer to them as "dogs" or "vermin."

That is an appropriate way of referring to such scum.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

Israel's IDF have killed thousands more than the tiny number killed in Ramallah.

Nonsense.

And the small handful that actually were killed, were the result of justified self defense against aggressors who refuse to make peace.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

Actually, Kerry is wasting his time,

Well that depends. He did manage to achieve a miracle and produce the best chance of peace since Bill Clinton was president.

But you and the other anti-Semites have indeed wrecked that opportunity.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

but I do not believe the European governments acting collectively are wasting their time. If these latest talks fail Europe will blame the defiant Israeli government.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. They might just blame you and the other anti-Semites. After all, you are the ones who ruined this one last chance to give the Palestinians 1967 borders.

If they do blame Israel, their blame will be rightfully dismissed as the whining of anti-Semites.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

When the Palestinians erupt it's because Israel has pushed them to this level.

Yes, it is really so awful the way Israel keeps offering to return to 1967 borders if only the Palestinians would make peace with them.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

And if Israel succeeds in defying the world community, and continue taking all their land, the Palestinians will never forget and their descendants will carry on the struggle.

Israel is not defying the world community.

Once these peace talks collapse, it will indeed be inevitable that Israel will claim all of the West Bank. The Palestinians are all going to have to be deported to the Gaza Strip.

If the Palestinians continue to be violent, they will simply be bombed into submission.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

The future for Israel will always be an insecure one until it returns that which it has stolen.

Israel has not stolen anything.

It is true that Israel lives next to people who refuse to make peace with them, but so long as Israel retains the ability to bomb them into submission, everything should be all right.

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@Advocate,

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Are you sure you are not a Muslim? The one-sided twisted garbage that you put forth is incredible. Moreover, you certainly know better. For some reason, you are obviouslly an extreme Jew-hater willing to endlessly lie about Israel and its people.

Once someone stoops so low that they support sending innocent people to prison, nothing is too low for them. Such people always support Palestinian vermin.

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@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

I am intensely hostile towards Israeli policies, Advocate, which keep the Palestinian people down while stealing their land with the help of the US congress.

Israeli policies have been to prevent Palestinians from murdering innocent Israelis, and to try to negotiate a peaceful return to 1967 borders.

That is neither stealing nor keeping anyone down.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

That mideast Israeli/Palestinian conflict should have been resolved many years ago if they had not the aid of the US no-good congress.

The only reason it has not been resolved is because the Palestinians refuse to ever make peace.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

I am not a Jew-hater;

Yes you are.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

Meredith Kercher, the brutally murdered victim,

Kercher was hardly a victim; it's her own fault she got raped and murdered.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

calling her a whore

Kercher was screwing people in exchange for free drugs.

Sounds like a whore to me.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

castigating the Kercher's family for pursuing justice for their daughter,

The Kercher family's efforts to put innocent people in prison and steal their money are not even remotely the pursuit of justice.

It is noteworthy how their efforts have actually caused Guede to get massive reductions to his sentence, and he is now on the verge of day-release parole (with full parole coming just a couple years after that). Evidence of Karma!

I really enjoyed Kercher's 28th birthday yesterday, thinking about how bad that horrible family must be feeling. It had me smiling all day.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

as well as excoriating the African bar owner who was lied on by Amanda Knox.

Stop lying. Unlike you, Amanda has not told a single lie about this case.

And as has already been explained to you many times, that freak Lubumble is an EX bar owner.

The only bar action he sees these days is as an employee of someone else's bar.

(Karma again.)

Moment-in-Time wrote:

Oralloy's sayings are not normal and can be described as sick!!!

You are evil and unethical enough to actually support Palestinian vermin. You cannot be expected to understand why those of us with ethics speak out against atrocities.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

you easily dismiss any harm or the thousands of deaths by IDF hands against the Palestinians as if they deserve it;

Fake deaths of people who never existed to begin with. No big deal.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

they [Palestinians] are fighting to hold on to their land which Israel seems determined to take away.

Nope. The Palestinians are fighting to murder people for fun.

Israel is actually offering them land if only they would make peace.

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