Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

Every president since before you were born has been a war criminal.

Jewish identity, as a nationalist ideology, is predicated upon religious mythologies and 19th century European nationalism.

Truman proceeded to organize a major counter-insurgency campaign in Greece which killed off about one hundred and sixty thousand people, sixty thousand refugees, another sixty thousand or so people tortured, political system dismantled, right-wing regime. American corporations came in and took it over. I think that's a crime under Nuremberg.

Well, what about Eisenhower? You could argue over whether his overthrow of the government of Guatemala was a crime. There was a CIA-backed army, which went in under U.S. threats and bombing and so on to undermine that capitalist democracy. I think that's a crime. The invasion of Lebanon in 1958, I don't know, you could argue. A lot of people were killed. The overthrow of the government of Iran is another one -- through a CIA-backed coup. But Guatemala suffices for Eisenhower and there's plenty more.

Kennedy is easy. The invasion of Cuba was outright aggression. Eisenhower planned it, incidentally, so he was involved in a conspiracy to invade another country, which we can add to his score. After the invasion of Cuba, Kennedy launched a huge terrorist campaign against Cuba, which was very serious. No joke. Bombardment of industrial installations with killing of plenty of people, bombing hotels, sinking fishing boats, sabotage. Later, under Nixon, it even went as far as poisoning livestock and so on. Big affair. And then came Vietnam; he invaded Vietnam. He invaded South Vietnam in 1962. He sent the U.S. Air Force to start bombing. Okay. We took care of Kennedy.

Johnson is trivial. The Indochina war alone, forget the invasion of the Dominican Republic, was a major war crime.

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They do succeed in raising another fascinating question: if the Jews really didn’t leave in 70 AD, what became of them 600 years later, after the rise of Mohammedanism? Did they become the Palestinians?

What is fascinating about a question based on an untrue premise?

Namely?

In addition, the way he trashed the poor Kerchers whose daughter, Meredith, was brutally murdered is UNFORGIVABLE!!!

You haven't read one of the sources I provided for you.

But if some Presidents are so bad, why did the American people vote for them in the first place?
In fact they liked some Pesidents so much that they voted them in for a second 4-year term such as Bush junior and Obama ..

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In the end, the filmmakers involved in Exile don’t really prove anything. They do succeed in raising another fascinating question: if the Jews really didn’t leave in 70 AD, what became of them 600 years later, after the rise of Mohammedanism? Did they become the Palestinians?

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Very few of the Jews were ever Jesus' followers

Certainly most of the hardcore snooty Jewish priestly classes hated his guts, but many ordinary people liked him-
"Large crowds from Galilee, the Ten Cities, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him" (Matt 4:25)
"And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12 :37)
And he pulled crowds of over 4000 and 5000 at two gigs alone (Matt 15:32, Matt 14:13)
Heck he was almost as big as Elvis, right Elv?

"Uh-huh"..

The reason for the violence directed against Israel by the Arabs is that Israel, through the abetment of the UK and later the US, was established by arrogating Palestine and repressing the Palestinian peoples therein in the name of an ethnocentric state "for the Jews." The West Bank alone isn't the crux of the issue. The crux of the issue is the rights that the Palestinians have in regard to Palestine that the Israelis have continually violated and denied.

Jewish identity, as a nationalist ideology, is predicated upon religious mythologies and 19th century European nationalism.

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Every president since before you were born has been a war criminal.

Well let's see:-
Ike busted Hitler's ass,
Truman gave the Japs atomic payback for Pearl Harbor and then kicked Nth Korea out of Sth Korea,
Kennedy faced down Kruschev over the cuban missiles,
Johnson stood against North Nam aggression,
Nixon had the balls to halt the Nam War,
Ford, Carter and Reagan didn't do anything nasty did they?
Bush senior kicked Saddam out of Kuwait
Clinton blitzed mid-east terror camps with cruise missiles,
Bush junior got Saddam,
Obama bust Bin Laden's ass.

So the Presidents seem alright to me..
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InfraBlue wrote:

The reason for the violence directed against Israel by the Arabs is that Israel, through the abetment of the UK and later the US, was established by arrogating Palestine and repressing the Palestinian peoples therein in the name of an ethnocentric state "for the Jews." The West Bank alone isn't the crux of the issue. The crux of the issue is the rights that the Palestinians have in regard to Palestine that the Israelis have continually violated and denied.

The "crux" of the issue is that people, like some on this forum, give the Arabs hope that world opinion will one day eliminate the State of Israel, so nothing can happen positively, since under those circumstances the Arabs feel they should just have patience. Many of those that have no dog in the hunt, so to speak, are just making the situation presently unsolvable, in my opinion.

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Jewish identity, as a nationalist ideology, is predicated upon religious mythologies and 19th century European nationalism.

However, the religious mythologies that gave us Catholic Europe and Protestant Europe/America/Austrialia/Canada/New Zealand serves as a safe haven for those who follow Christ. But, Jews had to deal with two-millenia of anti-Semitism, culminating in the Holocaust, since no safe haven existed for them. And, by the way, those followers of Christ were really not hospitable to Jews, in the full sense of the word. An ethnocentric Israel exists because of the intractable mental illness of anti-Semitism, that originated in Christian Europe, and has spread around the world. It's really quite simple.

You seem to believe, in my opinion, that no other countries are ethnocentric. Well, not in name, but in deed.

They were allowed to settle on the banks of an ancient river, The Ashkenazi. Get it.

An ethnocentric Israel exists because of the intractable mental illness of anti-Semitism, that originated in Christian Europe, and has spread around the world.

But, Jews had to deal with two-millenia of anti-Semitism, ...