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I PUT HIM ON IGNORE AGAIN

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:00 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
The problem with being on an Ignore list of someone without knowing it,
is that if u comment on his posts expecting a response,
and he never saw your post to him because he has u on Ignore,
then u will be waiting a long time.


because Craven took public space and used technology to attempt make it into potential private space....we can manipulate the experience as we wish, which he thinks is a good thing. It is not. A2k is bastardized, neither public nor private now. It neither promotes the common experience as public space does nor is a meeting place suitable for being made private.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:04 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Re: spendius (Post 3565662)
spendius wrote:

That's putting a brave face on waving the white flag.

No.
That 's not waving a white flag.
Putting someone on Ignore is like putting out the garbage.
I don 't know who the farmer put on Ignore.

It coud be me, for all I know,
but I agree with doing it, if u decide that someone is not fit company.
Everyone has an absolute right to exclude someone else from friendship.


Yes--okay-- but not when the subject of what to teach in America's classrooms is being debated and the Ignore function is employed to close your eyes and ears to arguments being made by many others besides the poster and by people of high standing as well as by a majority of the population.

Is atheism to be brought into schools because arguments against that are not listened to because they are too telling and unanswerable and thus are asserted to belong in the garbage.

Is that what you want Dave because that is the case on the thread/s concerned?

If somebody says, for example, that "pro choice" is a tender verbal euphemism for "pro abortion" and someone who is pro abortion doesn't like to be reminded of reality like that so puts the person on ignore so they can keep on thinking in terms of "pro choice" as some abstractly beneficial state, which is what it sounds like and the reason for choosing it, rather than pulling defenceless mites out of their mother's bellies for various, often trivial, social reasons, then you are in cloud cuckoo land.

Of course it is waving a white flag in this case and insisting that only the perp's views count. Fault the post that caused it. And notice how it is made to look like putting me on Ignore is some kind of clinching argument and a claim to the high ground. It's what sulky little girls do.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:05 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I don't know if I am on anybody's ignore list--I figure I am--and I don't care.

The problem with being on an Ignore list of someone without knowing it,
is that if u comment on his posts expecting a response,
and he never saw your post to him because he has u on Ignore,
then u will be waiting a long time.


Oh there are enough here who won't talk to me at all that I don't expect responses from the numbnuts, idiots, nutcases, or highly partisan bigots any more, and that is speaking of people on both sides of the spectrum. Most A2Kers, on both sides of the spectrum, aren't like that though and I get along pretty well with most. I love those who affirm my point of view and I love those who respectfully disagree with it. As Edgar may have been expressing, the rest I would just as soon they did ignore me.

It might be helpful if we are enabled to see the lists
upon which we are ignored, so that we will know not
to post to the members who put us on their Ignore lists.

I respect everyone 's right to an opinion and to argue in its support,
if he does so with some reasonable degree of civility.
The people whom I have on Ignore were both nasty and obscene.


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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:07 pm
David, how are you? We haven't seen each other in a while and I really miss you and your shouting.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:13 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

DAvid and foxy, I dont put people on ignore lightly. Even the one (and only ) person with whom Ive exercised that feature, has been given all opportunities to act in a non rude fashion. I released him from my ignore with the hope that we could have lively debates on the subjects that interest me(after all this medium is rather self serving). Alas, he only uses every opportunity to be childish and rude and rarely is even on the subject, Then I find that Im spending all my time on that thread being similarly rude and childish. SO , I guess I grew up first and put a stop to all the petty crap. Hes on my ignore and , no matter what he is harping about, it falls on deaf ears. He he he.

I can get cantankerous and disagree loudly (I will print in caps) and still have fun with those that I disagree with. However, where the responses are totally predictable , thats no fun at all. Its like banging my head on the wall and expecting different outcomes after each hit.

I fully respect your right to put anyone, including myself, on Ignore.
It woud not occur to me to impugn your judgment in this matter.
I see it as a fundamental right of anyone to withdraw friendship
from any other person for any reason or for no reason.
It has happened to me, in the real world. That 's MY tuff luck.

It has occurred to me tho,
that we 'd be better off if we knew on whose Ignore lists we are
so that we not post to those people expecting responses.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:22 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
It has occurred to me tho,
that we 'd be better off if we knew on whose Ignore lists we are
so that we not post to those people expecting responses


Surely. I have several times let the individual know that hes on mine and Isee that as a logical condition of the ignore feature. Its sort of like the Doomsday device in Dr Strangelove, if we dont inform anyone of its existence, its value as a derterment was totally lost.
I usually say that "I have put you on ignore" . Now with the individual Ive put on ignore, he continues to post at me, and several others quote him so I cant fully isolate myself from his rambling posts.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
The problem with being on an Ignore list of someone without knowing it,
is that if u comment on his posts expecting a response,
and he never saw your post to him because he has u on Ignore,
then u will be waiting a long time.


because Craven took public space and used technology to attempt make it into potential private space....we can manipulate the experience as we wish, which he thinks is a good thing. It is not. A2k is bastardized, neither public nor private now. It neither promotes the common experience as public space does nor is a meeting place suitable for being made private.

My understanding of your post is fragmentary n incomplete.
What public space ?

I 'm not at all sure what:
"promotes the common experience" means.

To the extent that we can:
" we can manipulate the experience as we wish "
I deem that to be a GOOD thing.
That is my preference.

The Ignore button reminds me of Capt. Kirk's faser ray gun.
When he shot someone with it, the target vanished; no messy clean-up.

I use it as an anti-obscenity control.
I can t stop people from using filthy language,
but I can shield myself from it's foulness and I have done so.
I believe in self-defense.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:25 pm
@gustavratzenhofer,
gustavratzenhofer wrote:

David, how are you?
We haven't seen each other in a while and I really miss you and your shouting.

O, I 'm too old to shout now; not like u young whippersnappers.
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spendius
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't see how you can say that after the post you quoted and when the subject is as important as the education of 50 million kids.

I have " been given all opportunities to act in a non rude fashion". His definition of "non-rude". Rude must be anything short of kissing his arse and pandering to his ego.

Quote:
he only uses every opportunity to be childish and rude and rarely is even on the subject,


Again. His definitions. I'm just not on the subject in the manner he wants me to be. He is in denial of the positive emotional effects of religious experiences and their value in promoting socially acceptable behaviour and we are all expected to follow his lead in those very important matters. If we don't we are being childish and rude and off topic which are things anybody can easily say about anything. And you're buying into that. You're making a mistake. As Hawk rightly says.

It has nothing to do with asserting something is "petty crap". It has everything to do with being unable to answer the questions asked of him. He's saying those questions shouldn't be asked and anybody who does ask is childish and rude, off topic and peddling petty crap. If I wasn't reading it I wouldn't believe it.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:34 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
It has occurred to me tho,
that we 'd be better off if we knew on whose Ignore lists we are
so that we not post to those people expecting responses


Surely. I have several times let the individual know that hes on mine and Isee that as a logical condition of the ignore feature. Its sort of like the Doomsday device in Dr Strangelove, if we dont inform anyone of its existence, its value as a derterment was totally lost.
I usually say that "I have put you on ignore" . Now with the individual Ive put on ignore, he continues to post at me, and several others quote him so I cant fully isolate myself from his rambling posts.

I almost always do it that way.
The only exception that I remember being
someone who addressed someone else in a very nasty,
and dirty way that grossed me out, badly, as a witness.

I was falling asleep with little energy,
not enuf energy nor motivation for me to get into a fight,
so I just zapped him, but that 's an exception.





David
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
The Ignore button reminds me of Capt. Kirk's faser ray gun.
When he shot someone with it, the target vanished; no messy clean-up.


going with that: You fire and the subject vanishes...for you and you only. You have made Star Trek into a virtual reality experience, as if you were playing a computer simulation. Is that what you come to a2k to do? Not I. I want to meet real people and to have a completely fair debate with real people about real things. Making a2k virtual reality diminishes its value, cheapens it.
spendius
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:38 pm
effemm seeks a claque of Yes-men and gets all petulant when he doesn't get it. You might as well make him President at the next election if you go with that. Or Secretary of Education.

Let's see if he can put Congress on Ignore, and State Govenors. Look what he's said about Mr Jindal. An elected man.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
I'm sorry, but there are people on A2K that I would not put up with for two seconds in real life. I choose not to associate with hateful, mean spirited, cruel people who hide behind their anonymity or distance to be as unkind to others as possible. I don't see any reason why such people must be accepted or tolerated here either whether their toxic comments are directed at me or others. They've run off entirely too many really neat folks with their comments.

They have every right to be however or whomever they want to be. And I have every right to ignore them and I try hard to do so. Not so much with the ignore button but I just skim over their post and refuse to read or address them.

(David...that does NOT include you if I happen to not have responded to one of your posts addressed to me. Smile)

Sometimes we do inadvertently miss a post and don't answer and that should not be interpreted that we have somebody on ignore unless it happens a lot. It can happen on fast moving threads especially if there are lapses between the times we check back on a thread.

But as FM said, the one I put I ignore permanently, I advised that I was putting him on ignore and I said why. A few others I do so very temporarily just until they get over their hissy fit or a particularly obnoxious phase, and those I don't announce. It is purely for my own peace.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:45 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

I don't see how you can say that after the post you quoted and when the subject is as important as the education of 50 million kids.

I have " been given all opportunities to act in a non rude fashion". His definition of "non-rude". Rude must be anything short of kissing his arse and pandering to his ego.

Quote:
he only uses every opportunity to be childish and rude and rarely is even on the subject,


Again. His definitions. I'm just not on the subject in the manner he wants me to be. He is in denial of the positive emotional effects of religious experiences and their value in promoting socially acceptable behaviour and we are all expected to follow his lead in those very important matters. If we don't we are being childish and rude and off topic which are things anybody can easily say about anything. And you're buying into that. You're making a mistake. As Hawk rightly says.

It has nothing to do with asserting something is "petty crap". It has everything to do with being unable to answer the questions asked of him. He's saying those questions shouldn't be asked and anybody who does ask is childish and rude, off topic and peddling petty crap. If I wasn't reading it I wouldn't believe it.

Meaning no disrespect,
the 2 points involved r short n simple:

1 ) Everyone has a right to his own opinion; no matter what it is.

2 ) Everyone has a right to avoid social contact with anyone else.

Everyone is sovereign & autonomous in these decisions.





David
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:51 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You're missing the point Dave. The debate concerned is a public matter. If effemm thinks that with all his claque having me on Ignore so I will lose interest he can bring atheism into schools by default he's having himself on.

You have no right to avoid social contact in a debate about a public matter affection millions of people. Mr Obama was accused of ignoring certain questions and putting some journalists on Ignore.

Your points are okay in private matters. You are confusing two radically different things.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 12:57 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
The Ignore button reminds me of Capt. Kirk's faser ray gun.
When he shot someone with it, the target vanished; no messy clean-up.


going with that: You fire and the subject vanishes...for you and you only. You have made Star Trek into a virtual reality experience, as if you were playing a computer simulation. Is that what you come to a2k to do? Not I. I want to meet real people and to have a completely fair debate with real people about real things. Making a2k virtual reality diminishes its value, cheapens it.

Its not as if we were attending a New England Town Meeting
where after debate we 'll vote and enact law.
Its all 100% social; 100% moot.

If someone is too obnoxious, I can successfully end that problem,
SWIFTLY, and its perfectly legal.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 01:00 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

effemm seeks a claque of Yes-men and gets all petulant when he doesn't get it. You might as well make him President at the next election if you go with that. Or Secretary of Education.

Let's see if he can put Congress on Ignore, and State Govenors. Look what he's said about Mr Jindal. An elected man.

A2K resides in the world of theoretical ideas,
not in the world of action.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 01:04 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

I'm sorry, but there are people on A2K that I would not put up with for two seconds in real life. I choose not to associate with hateful, mean spirited, cruel people who hide behind their anonymity or distance to be as unkind to others as possible. I don't see any reason why such people must be accepted or tolerated here either whether their toxic comments are directed at me or others. They've run off entirely too many really neat folks with their comments.

They have every right to be however or whomever they want to be. And I have every right to ignore them and I try hard to do so. Not so much with the ignore button but I just skim over their post and refuse to read or address them.

(David...that does NOT include you if I happen to not have responded to one of your posts addressed to me. Smile)

Sometimes we do inadvertently miss a post and don't answer and that should not be interpreted that we have somebody on ignore unless it happens a lot. It can happen on fast moving threads especially if there are lapses between the times we check back on a thread.

But as FM said, the one I put I ignore permanently, I advised that I was putting him on ignore and I said why. A few others I do so very temporarily just until they get over their hissy fit or a particularly obnoxious phase, and those I don't announce. It is purely for my own peace.

I am not aware that this problem arose.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 01:05 pm
I ignore nobody; the comic relief is too precious to pass up

Cycloptichorn
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 8 Feb, 2009 01:13 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

You're missing the point Dave. The debate concerned is a public matter. If effemm thinks that with all his claque having me on Ignore so I will lose interest he can bring atheism into schools by default he's having himself on.

You have no right to avoid social contact in a debate about a public matter affection millions of people. Mr Obama was accused of ignoring certain questions and putting some journalists on Ignore.

Your points are okay in private matters.
You are confusing two radically different things.

I can see where the points that u raise
might be applicable to members of an elected legislative body,
but not to private citizens, who fully retain both of the rights
that I enumerated in an earlier post. If u allege the existence
of a duty to debate, then I will be compelled to challenge u
to identify the source and legitimacy of any such alleged duty.





David
 

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