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Let GM go Bankrupt

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 10:50 am
@okie,
In re: pocketbooks driving people toward the right thing. Consider how many people will dial up their thermostat in winter rather than wear a sweater or long underwear. Consider that the same people will set their air conditioner to a temperature lower than the temperature they set their thermostat to in winter!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 10:52 am
@plainoldme,
OK . . . that did not work .

Here is the sentence that should have been in quotes . . .

Cyclops, to clarify, if I were in politics and had to vote on this stuff in Congress, I would probably not advocate absolutely no regulation at all, but I think I would be on the side of some less regulation, because I think we have over-regulated to some extent.


I hate those quote boxes anyway. They make posts too difficult to read.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 11:28 am
okie, consumers made the right choices. American business didn't listen. To repeat, thru the mid 90's the top three selling cars in the States each year were all American cars. Since around 2004, the top three selling cars have all been Japanese. Why? Because they get better mileage, are cheaper to operate and are more reliable (recent Toyota problems noted), and often have safety features in advance of American cars having them. I didn't say all inventions came as a result of government pressure--fuel injection has been around since the '30s, on German Gran Prix racing cars, for example, but it was only on high end luxury cars until it became a way to get cleaner burning engines, and higher mileage, and then the companies figured out a way to get it on even basic 4 bangers. The government standards have been instrumental in improving the breed, indeed the major spur for making ALL levels of cars better, as cyc says.

An 87 Taurus 6 cylinder's mileage ratings were 17/26, and no one got mileage that matched the standards then in the real world. If you were getting 24/32, you must have been driving everywhere downhill with a tailwind.



MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 11:34 am
pom, to get a quote in a box, highlight the quote with your mouse and left click on "copy"; then, when you're in the a2k reply box, put the cursor where you want the quote to be, click on "quote" in the little BBC Code boxes above the reply box, make sure the cursor is in between the two sets of square brackets and mouse click on "paste". I find it's easier to get the quote in there if I hit the space bar a couple times to widen the gap between the sets of square brakcets.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 12:54 pm
@MontereyJack,
That would definately improve readability and understanding.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 03:11 pm
@MontereyJack,
That would be fine except I have a replacement mouse that does not left click.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 03:22 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

That would be fine except I have a replacement mouse that does not left click.


Yeah, get a new mouse. Seriously. $4.

Cycloptichorn
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 03:46 pm
Left click is the main click--every mouse has it, I think, cause you have to have it to access most functions a mouse is used for. The whole center section may click. It's what you use to highlight things or to move to the previous page when you're browsing online. I was wrong, as well, you right click to "copy" after you've highlighted it with the left click-and-drag, and right click to "paste" too. Left click on BBC Code "quote" to get it to appear in the reply box. Incidentally, if you want to establish a link-with-the-little-opening-picture to a youtube video, you can type in [youtube][/youtube] and put the URL from the video on youTube in between.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 03:51 pm
@MontereyJack,
For what it's worth, I left click to highlight and use the ctrl + c to copy. Ctrl + V will paste. Personal preference, but it has become more intuitive for me.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 05:16 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

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You were rather angry at me for criticizing your syntax and logic and you accused me of voting your comments down. You did ask to have me point out where you failed to represent your thoughts well.

Interestingly, I suspected you of being among those who vote my comments down, although I did not accuse you.
I admit to voting yours down sometimes, not all the time. I only thumbs down the ones that I do not wish to see anymore, and the ones that are totally pointless.

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I have to admit to not reading all of your commentary. I teach developmental English. Students entering community colleges are tested for placement in math and English classes. My students do not test high enough to place into college level English classes. Students who are placed in intermediate writing write as you do. Frankly, life is not a busman's holiday. I read your sort of writing for a living! I generally tire of your posts before I finish because the writing and the logic are weak.

Well, I do not believe my writing is anything to be criticized, after all this is a debate forum, not a term paper test. And for your information, I wrote numerous technical reports during my professional career, and my reports were known in the company as well written, thorough, and understandable, both technically and grammatically. I would put my writing up against yours anyday, but I don't see the need to have everything absolutely perfect on a debate forum like this. Bottom line, I think your primary problem is you just do not like it that I don't agree with you, and that I come across as rather abrupt and shocking to your way of thinking, which is fine with me.

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Yes, I suspect you will defend yourself by saying that you write in a hurry. We all do. We have a lot of life to support and wade through. We all make mistakes. I do. Part of the reason why we make mistakes is due to the fact that we dictate silently to ourselves which causes us to misspell. I am convinced that is why people use an apostrophe S rather than the simple plural.

I am going to comment on the above sentence. First, let me commend you for using the verb "to be" in the proper tense: the present unreal conditional. However, you later say, "I would probably not advocate absolutely no regulation at all . . ." Did you mean 'advocate' or do you mean 'support' or 'approve?" And, don't you find that structure awkward? How about, "If I were in Congress, I doubt that I would support a system in which there is no regulation"?

You need a period after regulation or a semi-colon because your entire sentence is a run-on, the sort of thing that lands students in developmental writing.

You, however, did not place a period there and continued: " . . . but I think I would be on the side of some less regulation . . . Why not: " I think I would support some regulation, but it would be looser and less stringent than our current system." or "I am certain I would not support the removal of all regulation although I would like to see our current laws relaxed."

You can go on and on and cast this same sentence fragment into several more correct, easier to read and more logical forms. I do this with my students all the time. We work out sentences on the board and they begin to see that their messages can be delivered more accurately and more interestingly.

Finally,your run-on sentence ends with " . . . because I think we have over-regulated to some extent." Really? Is that like being a little pregnant?

Once we get your syntax in order, perhaps, we can work on your philosophy and your knowledge of history!

I think some of what you write here is nothing more than your pettiness and a way to find fault with something, rather than actually providing evidence for your political views, which is the actual purpose of this forum rather than criticizing other peoples writing style.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 05:19 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

I think the consumer is blinded by advertising which is often based on half-truths and faulty logic.

Okie, why should we trust you to make any decisions when you think Hitler was a leftist?

He was a leftist, and I provided ample evidence of it, perhaps you missed it?

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Consider how many people think they have no responsibility for the environment.

And, no, people will not be driven "in the right direction" by their pocketbooks. They will do what Americans do: borrow!

You are proving the fact that liberals do not believe in the ability of people to make their own decisions responsibly, but instead favor the government running our lives and taking our freedoms away. Freedom does carry with it some responsibility, but you need to realize people will learn if they are allowed to suffer the consequences of their decisions and actions.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 05:39 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

An 87 Taurus 6 cylinder's mileage ratings were 17/26, and no one got mileage that matched the standards then in the real world. If you were getting 24/32, you must have been driving everywhere downhill with a tailwind.

Nope. With a tailwind, the car would do 37 to 40. I did in fact get 40 once that I remember, and it got almost 37 or so, a few times. As I recall, 33 to 35 was not very unusual. I cannot explain why my experience with the car was that much better than the ratings, but I know it to be a fact, because I am a bit of a fanatic at keeping records of fuel usage, etc.

Not to boast, but I think my driving habits are better than most people, I anticipate lights and avoid using the brakes as much as possible, also I use coasting on hills as much as possible, as well as avoiding over acceleration on hill climbs. It not only saves on fuel, but it also saves doing as many brake jobs.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 08:39 pm
@MontereyJack,
Well, if you go to the bar and pull down the menu, you can always find the function you are looking for. Seriously, I find those awful dash surrounded boxes a barrier to reading posts!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 08:40 pm
@okie,
Hey, but you have no idea what pointless means.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 08:41 pm
@okie,
I knew you would make excuses for yourself. No one on the right has any sense of personal responsibility. Developmental English for you!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 08:42 pm
@okie,
I have two master's degrees and you are going to argue with me? I was a professional journalist and you are going to claim superiority? Honestly, you would be in remedial classes at a community college today.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 09:03 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

I have two master's degrees and you are going to argue with me?
Masters degrees in what? No wonder journalism is in such a sad state of affairs, if you are a good example.
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I was a professional journalist and you are going to claim superiority?
I don't have to claim a whole lot to surpass your knowledge of what is going on .
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Honestly, you would be in remedial classes at a community college today.

Nonsense. By the way, did you ever take Calculus or analytical geometry in college? I doubt it, and if you ever did, I doubt you would have stood a chance. You can't even figure out how to quote somebody here on this forum.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 09:10 pm
@okie,
I can do that! My '03 Focus usually gets 23/24 in town. Twice it made it to 30mpg. Highway with careful driving - 38mpg minimum, even over Wolf Creek Pass. Got better than 40 at least twice, but that doesn't involve any city driving at all.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 09:38 pm
@roger,
Another Ford man, huh? Good! How do you like the focus? I don't know if I would be willing to give up the extra room and comfort to gain only 3 or 4 mpg. A good V-6 midsize car should do 35 consistently, at least they did when they first came out in the mid 80's, as I remember many people with various models of V-6 front wheel drive cars.

I am familiar with Wolf Creek Pass as well. Strangely, I do sometimes better mpg in the mountains than on the plains, but it seems the wind is always blowing into wherever I am going.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 26 May, 2010 10:12 pm
@okie,
I like it quite well. On those mountain passes it is clearly underpowered. Road and engine noise are a definate negative, especially at highway speeds. On the other hand, at the end of the model year, I was able to get a new car off the lot for about five bucks under $11,000, including taxes, registration, dealer prep, etc.. That makes up for a few minor irritations. Maintenance? I had to have a tube to the EGR replaced three years ago.

Funny thing about the extra room I gave up. The rear seats fold, allowing an additional 3 or 4 feet in length of trunk. UPS delivered a packaged rowing machine at the work address. The whole 5ft something fit in the car with the trunk closed. That was worth a couple of bucks wiping the smug little smirks of the faces of a couple of onlookers. I think that feature was pioneered by the Echoe from Toyota or Honda.

If every wind is a headwind, you might be riding a bicycle.
 

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