California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

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Ionus there are dastardly criminals in every sexual preference... why magnify the gay criminals above all others? Seems a bit disingenuous and manipulative.

Sexually transmitted disease happened long before AIDS came on the scene of human sexuality. Some people's myopia about gay sex is just bigoted opinion without one iota of historical understanding of sexually transmitted diseases by heterosexuals.

If you are saying even the uneducated and ignorant like you can be a bigot, I knew that... how many do you have on ignore, bigot .

Look bitch, so far you dont stand a chance, and if we were to have breakfast it would be because I beat you to within an inch of your life and made you cook it .

I havent . "Those who decide to be or are twisted by lifes events into being homosexual have made a choice based on selfish behaviour.... heterosexuals can also make that choice of pathetically ******* everything, and I also dislike them intensely ." I hold all sex obsessed people in the same vein... I thought I had made that clear .

So you think as soon as homosexuality was invented people started to blame them for AIDS ? That is rather late in history dont you think ?

How many do you have on ignore, bigot ?

So before AIDS all sexually transmitted diseases were spread by heterosexuals... you really **** up big time when you think you are an historian .

This was quoted from Barry's remark on wa2k



I once had manners like a lady too! Has that ever stopped the insults directed at me on this forum? I became hard, bitter and callused.

WHO apologized to me for the viscous tag drugfuckedidiot tag left on my thread? I never got to know who my attacker even was... This forum apparently protects the guilty. Do you think that did not hurt my feelings? Does anyone really have any idea what I am holding back and going through?

I have been attacked on this forum so many times from so many angles that I took off the kid gloves long ago. And I am supposed to be sorry for going loose on my own like an off course firecracker?

I have been threatened, degraded, insulted, sworn at and had my threads derailed. No offense to Letty, she has been nice to me and the few others.. . Who has ever apologized to me? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. It is others who have set the tone on this forum and no ability to delete our own words and other's insults, STILL...

No care that I have been abused ALL of my life because I am gay. I can't even begin to express how terribly I have been treated due to these hateful religious laws. I couldn't even have a good childhood because I was beat on and hated in Maine schools. My family ostracized me and they "marked and avoided" my mother for being the only person who supported me. I won't even go into the many other "incidents"... Well, what kind of lady do you expect me to have become after watching my best friends be murdered (Charlie Howard) for being gay and losing the right to marry my now "ex" lover because the catholic church (and their blood of Christ money) did not think it was appropriate...

I thought well I have found my soul mate sticking it out through all of this hate was worth it?

So thanks to Maine republicans for taking my right to marry away... my lover left me so his ex wife whom he divorced could not use "us" to take away his custody of his children in Maine court. The same ex wife who was unfaithful to him exposed him to diseases and starved and beat on their children...

I haven't heard a single word from him once in three years since the vote... This is after him being by my side for an entire year. I am living with so much loss now every day you could never even imagine! Did you expect me to turn out to be an angel after such failure? I am what I am. Until this world changes I am just a bitch and that is that.

I'll show you how to love... Cause if i really acted the way I feel all hell would break lose. It must be tremendous love that has stopped me from cracking... Anything to take my mind off the loss of him has been my only comfort. You have no idea what I have had to endure and hold back from. What do I do with myself now that the world has ruined my life?

I should have no manners left at all, not when the world has deprived me of any and all happiness. I may seem fine at times because I had good parents who taught me to love above all... What I have to live with every day, thanks to the heartless Maine voters and the religious right? The reality that they took away my dreams.

This is what happens to gays when their lives are ruined by homophobes and selfish conservatives... Gays become bitter and hateful. Gays are people too and just as prone to human frailties... And I am supposed to forgive and forget? NEVER... Not until these hateful discriminatory marriage laws are changed to include same sex couples. It will still probably be too late for me... There are no happy days for me so don't expect any. I will wait til the next election cycle and see if the referendum is changed and if not I am planning on leaving Maine and never looking back.

I feel as if the republican right and the catholic church changed my own fate and destiny into some hateful abstract reality. I need to get out of Maine... This state has only bad memories for me now. Now they are bringing organized crime and casinos and gonna turn their children into sluts and hookers and they just had to deprive me of marrying the man I love. They are legalizing fireworks in Maine where the cost of this on the environment will be astronomical. Maine is slowly turning into an ass crack of a state with our "dump it in the sea" governor. They don't mind pimping out their children but they certainly cannot have same sex couples who deeply love each other marrying. Why aren't the catholic church fighting the organized crime and the ******* casinos slithering their way into Maine? EVIL!

I cannot begin to express the loss in my life right now. It has been three years since the Maine vote when I had my soul ripped from my flesh. The pain and loss only gets worse every single hour of every day.

I should get help but what is going to bring him back? WHAT COULD REALLY HELP ME NOW? A few years when Maine finally rights the wrong they have done, my life will still be ruined. Juliet killed herself... I feel like I am already dead.

So I am sorry to the WHOLE WIDE WORLD while they continue to kick me in the face. I am happy for New York but it is too little too late.

Now who will ever apologize for the wrong done to me?

Rex, Staying angry and holding a grudge against the world makes you the loser. You must learn to let go of your anger, and try to find peace within yourself. I've lived 76 years in this country as a Japanese-American, and we lived through some tough times based on racial bigotry. I still remember the stings hurled at me as a kid, but I've managed to make a pretty decent life for myself and family. I was the yellow sheep of our family, but I've been able to accomplish more by letting go of the bad experiences of my life, and looking forward.

I've seen progress in all areas of discrimination in this country, and you and I know that most of what remains just went underground, because the majority no longer tolerates bigotry. The recent NY homosexuals right to marry is but the latest including the outlawing of DADT in our military.

Look at the good side; we're slowly getting there; don't waste your energy on all the negatives. It only hurts you.

Just like the old poem goes, you can remove the nails but you can't remove the scars... I will always be scarred.

If it were not for love I would be dead. As I said, people never realize what we are holding back. It will always hurt me. How do you let go of your own soul? I can't seem to get the scowl off my face these days.

You don't let go of your own soul, but for some things in life, we must learn to change. That's the most difficult part of living, but if it's for creating more serenity in our life, it's worth the struggle.

As the serenity prayer goes, we need the wisdom to know the things we cannot change. I cannot change who I am, who I truly love and I am loved by... A soul mate is exactly that, half of your soul, and what good is a half of a soul without the other half? Should I face defeat and prejudice without a struggle? Where is the justice in this world?

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It's more than who we love; it has to do with everything that impacts us personally.

Without love, I am nothing.

It's evident that our lives are very different; I love my wife and two sons, but I also love my siblings and many of my relatives and friends.

I have friends and fans. My family never calls me so there really is not much love there. I have 40 thousand friends from all over the world and 80% of them are gay and over 50% are 30 and under. Yet my family can't find the time to call me. So who is my family and who loves me? Love should go both ways. I could say to myself I love my family in spite of the fact that they hate my lifestyle but why put myself through such torture? I could introduce my family to my friends but why subject my gay friends to such introspection and insult? My gay friends know how hard it is to live amongst such adversity as it is so why expose them to more judgment?

I had a spouse and his family and love too till the laws changed that. So now all I have are my gay friends. I will also say that most of my gay friends are Asians. And the second largest ethnic group are Mexicans. I am happy with my friends and they ALWAYS treat me with love and respect. They are my family... Though most live too far away to have a relationship with, it really does not matter because I am still in love with my ex and probably will be in love with him for a long time. They all think I am single but it is more complicated than that.

I can't turn on my instant messengers because I get barraged by people wanting to talk to me. People in love with me. I love them too but I am conflicted and my heart wont allow me to feel anymore. I still deeply and profoundly love them all.

I wish I could travel and somehow meet these people but I just want to stay put. My ex has the keys to my apt and one day (If it becomes legal for us to marry) I have hope he will walk through the door open his arms to me like he used to do and I will cry and begin to feel love again. Till then my heart is a dry and parched desert. I will never turn my back on him.

I am going to the gym to run off some frustration and angst.

Rex, It seems you have the misfortune of having a family critical of homosexuals. That's beyond your control; you should know about things you cannot control, and move on. Why live the agony?

There are many families with homosexual children who's parents or siblings don't love them any less because of their sexual lifestyle. I met many on my many travels.

I sometimes wonder how my siblings would treat me if I were gay. They've learned from their religion that homosexuality is a sin. When I talk to my siblings about homosexuals, and why they would deny them equal rights, they say it's because the bible condemns homosexuality.

But, they say, they "love" homosexuals. How they are able to reconcile their contradiction has always been fascinating for me.

I've always been the yellow sheep of the family, but they've always treated me with respect in adulthood.

You are much more intellectual in your understanding because you are the victim, The victim knows the most about what is being done wrong to them!

It makes me sad that this is the hand you have been dealt but I do think that it goes both ways!

Please do not take this in a negative way because this is not how it is intended!

I think that you should make contact with them regardless, "If you are not you may be just as guilty as them!
I do not know every detail but in most cases I would think that at least one parent would be able to get over this to some extent!
We all have challenges and some of us have more or less than others but we are all in this together and I can only feel some of the pain you feel because I am not you but I do hope that you are able to find more peace with your family in the near future!

You may not like the song but you might see others that have different problems! The son is smart!

There are other sexual activities which are not approved of by the majority.

What have you to say about those?

ci. uses the word "sin" as if it relates to some concept coming out of the sky. It never seems to enter his noggin that it was defined as "sin" for social reasons by the leaders of the grouping. It's his giant straw man.

Gobbing green gollies in restaurants wasn't outlawed because it was a sin. It was outlawed because the majority won't put up with it.

It's simple to understand but ci. persists in thinking that "sin" is irrational. Homosexuals have made great strides in the last 50 years and most people are now fairly tolerant of it because it is seen as no longer a threat. This demand for "marriage" is putting that gain at risk.

If I was a homosexual I would be biting the carpet at the idiocy of demanding "marriage".

I don't consider my love between me and my same sex lover a sin. Your "social" bible calls sickness devil spirits. Boop! One prayer to Jesus and brain tumors simply dissolve! Why are there even christian mercy hospitals if faith of the bible is the only necessary cure? The emergency rooms should have only two things in them a crucifix and a priest... Fetters drop and scales are lifted miraculously from the eyes! Piles of crutches in the corner... yea right! Throw away that insulin you are healed by God! Don't mind that your leg will rot off in a month and then after you die your peers can say sadly, "Your faith was not strong enough!" Why do we need medical science at all when faith is the end all to sin? Faith is a lie from hell (if there ever was a hell it gave us religious faith). I prefer to put my faith in science, reason and humanity. Though humanity, as consumerism, as a whole I don't know if I trust.

If God wants my attention he/she can tell me him/her self rather than sending these false homophobic hypocrite prophets who preach from books of fables, myths, half truths, sexism, chauvinistic hate, bigotry and outright lies. They bleed people's money from their wallets out of fear of the holy ghost.

I was brain washed by this religious hate for way too long. They left me out in the sun to die. They shot their fiery darts at my heart by telling me that my love for my partner was a sin and a DEVIL SPIRIT! That each time I kissed and loved him I was being possessed by demons... How just, cruel and hateful is that? How socially obtuse! That lie is an even greater sin than homosexuality, although, I do not consider consensual adult same sex marriage a sin anyway.

My eyes are opened now and I see the true light and it is liberty and equality and NOW I am "free indeed". I am as far away from the lies of Christianity and religion as I can get. I don't need their fantasy trip to teach me morality, virtue, TRUTH and simple concepts like love and brother/sister hood. I don't think they teach love in the bible anyway. They invoke the word love then teach hate.

My ex left me with at least one great virtue by convincing me to to leave behind the religion, "god" and the church and though I may not be free emotionally (the church did a number on my head) I am spiritually free.

My ex partner is the closest thing to an angel of light that I believe in. Other than that I have no faith whatsoever. ZERO...

Spendi as you compare homosexual marriage to "other" derision of sexuality you equally compare heterosexual marriage to the same thing. Can't you see that? You seem to think that because two same sex couples get married and live monogamously that opens Pandora's box. Well I have news for you, heterosexuals opened that box long ago. Heterosexuals can be just as horny and perverted as gays... Heterosexual or homosexual marriage does NOT facilitate immorality but it facilitates fidelity and monogamy. Perhaps heterosexuals have done more to tarnish the marriage bond than homosexuals ever will. Wife swopping and families with siblings from different parents... This has gone on long before gay marriage was at the forefront of the discussion. Gays will not stand by as you try and use them as your scapegoat for every abhorrent behavior.

Marriage is a bond... Shall we outlaw marriage because some bonds are socially unacceptable? Shall we throw the baby away with the bathwater?

There is no reason whatsoever why consensual adult same sex marriage should not be socially accepted and equated with heterosexual marriage.

If you were a homosexual you would have to be affected by the marriage inequalities to understand. Losing the one you love to inequality quickly makes the issue very evident and of vital concern.