California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

@RexRed,

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“how do you manage a victory like this in such a conservative legislature?”

The obvious answer to that is than no serious politician gives a twopenny **** about the LGBT community (whatever that is), or its allies. I certainly don't. It's like worrying about porn was about 30 years ago. Passe.

Just get on with it Rex. We have more important things to worry about.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

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“how do you manage a victory like this in such a conservative legislature?”

The obvious answer to that is than no serious politician gives a twopenny **** about the LGBT community (whatever that is), or its allies. I certainly don't. It's like worrying about porn was about 30 years ago. Passe.

Just get on with it Rex. We have more important things to worry about.

No Spendius you don't care.. but apparently the Maine legislators do...

You are projecting your own selfish and myopic hate on others.

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@RexRed,

You're projecting your selfish and myopic hate Rex.

A selfish heterosexual bloke would encourge male homosexuality on the basis that it reduces competition for the females. And you can hardly get more myopic than to admire your own sex.

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@RexRed,

My advice re: Spendius REX is that he is a dense metal unable to comprehend . I sincerely believe hes autistic and consequently is unable to process nuances. His world is one of brilliant insensitivity.
Since Portland has always been one of the top 5 best living cities in the US, I imagine the overall attitudes toward diversity help in maintaining that sense of conviviality. I know in Eastport (where we spend our time), even during these down economic times , folks of all stripe all embraced by the town.
AS I said, I wouldnt waste my time getting my humours up with the likes of spendi.

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@farmerman,

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AS I said, I wouldnt waste my time getting my humours up with the likes of spendi.

Bit late for that Rex, innit? That's telling you you've been a plonker all this time you've wasted arguing with me. It's not taking you seriously really.

barmyman has me on Ignore by the way and when he announced it, for about the 15th time, with the usual fanfare, he promised us all that he wouldn't even peek.

Like you, he has failed to answer the point I made. The bullshit about Portland is just to ingratiate you. You can't beat a bit of faint praise.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

My advice re: Spendius REX is that he is a dense metal unable to comprehend . I sincerely believe hes autistic and consequently is unable to process nuances. His world is one of brilliant insensitivity.
Since Portland has always been one of the top 5 best living cities in the US, I imagine the overall attitudes toward diversity help in maintaining that sense of conviviality. I know in Eastport (where we spend our time), even during these down economic times , folks of all stripe all embraced by the town.
AS I said, I wouldnt waste my time getting my humours up with the likes of spendi.

Thanks FM, you are wise beyond your years. Perhaps it is my viking blood that challenges me to never back down.

Never back down if you feel you are right...

Yes, Portland is diverse and I love every second of that diversity. Love of diversity without hypocrisy is the greatest love obtainable. One has not lived till they have experienced this reverence for life.

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@spendius,

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AS I said, I wouldnt waste my time getting my humours up with the likes of spendi.

Bit late for that Rex, innit? That's telling you you've been a plonker all this time you've wasted arguing with me. It's not taking you seriously really.

barmyman has me on Ignore by the way and when he announced it, for about the 15th time, with the usual fanfare, he promised us all that he wouldn't even peek.

Like you, he has failed to answer the point I made. The bullshit about Portland is just to ingratiate you. You can't beat a bit of faint praise.

Spendi needs to learn the hard way by all the world seeing what a loser he is... One day Spendi, if you are fortunate, your eyes will be opened and you will see the error of your ways. Till then you will only become more and more bitter with time. The human condition is such that it even allows low lifes like you to fester and become a boil on the ass of humanity.

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@spendius,

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You're projecting your selfish and myopic hate Rex.

A selfish heterosexual bloke would encourge male homosexuality on the basis that it reduces competition for the females. And you can hardly get more myopic than to admire your own sex.

And females admire their own sex too and this is the balance of life and nature. Yet I am not so myopic that I cannot admire females too... especially strong females who put chauvinists like yourself in your place.

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@RexRed,

I'm waiting for an answer to the point that most legislators can't be bothered with the LGBT community.

Your petty insults have no affect on me. They do however show what a nice person you are underneath that loving veneer. That they have no basis in fact is something I cannot prove so you have a free run at the job.

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@spendius,

And for no other reason than that I want to preserve the word "marriage" for formal relationships between men and women. Which I gather is the official policy of 45 or 46 states.

I cannot but assume therefore that your admonishments apply equally to the legislators in those states and what you must say about those who carry placards and chant slogans against your interests I shudder to think.

btw--barmyman just used you to have a dig at me. In case it wasn't obvious.

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@RexRed,

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Yes, Portland is diverse and I love every second of that diversity. Love of diversity without hypocrisy is the greatest love obtainable. One has not lived till they have experienced this reverence for life.

See ,now spendi wouldnt get it at all. His view of the world is through grey beer smudged glasses and regret at what he hasnt achieved in his meaningless life.

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@farmerman,

FM, I am of the firm belief that the mind observes and recalls all it sees and only filters a small portion into our consciousness. Over time the unconscious eventually works on the conscious. The mind knows more than we do usually. We undergo a crisis and have an epiphany and these words and ideas come back and become part of our psyche.

There is still hope for Spendi, he may not acknowledge that and maybe he may never change his often hateful and malicious words and ways. I am not saying he would ever become gay... but the fact that there is an open dialogue between a gay person and himself is a start.

A favorite line from a movie I saw once which I can't at this time recall the title (something for my unconscious to know I guess)

"Even a snake deserves a second chance." Smile

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

And for no other reason than that I want to preserve the word "marriage" for formal relationships between men and women. Which I gather is the official policy of 45 or 46 states.

I cannot but assume therefore that your admonishments apply equally to the legislators in those states and what you must say about those who carry placards and chant slogans against your interests I shudder to think.

btw--barmyman just used you to have a dig at me. In case it wasn't obvious.

If you want to preserve "marriage" between heterosexuals that is up to heterosexuals not gays. Heterosexuals can make a mess of marriage all on their own... If you want gays to be monogamous then maybe you could hold their hand while they have sex.

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@farmerman,

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See ,now spendi wouldnt get it at all. His view of the world is through grey beer smudged glasses and regret at what he hasnt achieved in his meaningless life.

What utter arrogant dross. As if his life has more meaning than anybody else's. Or that he has acheived some wondrous feats. He's not only uneducated, he's uneducable. He hasn't even bothered to read the thread. My contributions have been concerned with the use of words and how changing their meaning will make literature from the past nonsensical. When somebody says that he or she is married the vast majority of the population, and not just of the West, assumes a heterosexual relation. I'm against changing that. Call a union of homosexuals "heavenly bliss", even "blissage" and get on with it. Give them all the rights everybody else has. Let them have two male incomes in one household. Just don't call it marriage because it isn't marriage and it never will be. Marriage will disappear entirely first. Just as the barber's pole is being replaced by Uni-sex salons. And distinctive dress for the sexes is being removed.

I think the GENTS will remain the GENTS for a long time to come though.

And what of the 45 states who agree with me officially. Plus about half of the people in the 5 states that don't. fm doesn't get that.

You showed your colours Rex in that stream of obscene insults which I presume you reserve for anybody who takes a different view than you. The sun shines out of the arse of those who do. It isn't debating. It's losing your cool. Should we say getting your underpants in a twist or your knickers?

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@RexRed,

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and maybe he may never change his often hateful and malicious words and ways.

If it is "often" it should be easy for you to quote an example. Do it.

On this very page you used hateful and malicious words with no excuse. Show me getting close to matching that.

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@RexRed,

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There is still hope for Spendi, he may not acknowledge that and maybe he may never change his often hateful and malicious words and ways. I am not saying he would ever become gay... but the fact that there is an open dialogue between a gay person and himself is a start.

Good luck with that. I have to admit that Ive failed. There are so many great people on the line that he's not missed no matter what the outcome in your attempts at communication.

One of my friends in High SChool was a gay kid who came out many years later (after college). He was quite artistic and he and I spent many Saturdays doing sketching of the city of Allentown. I just lerned in my 40th HS reunion that he died . He was in a committed relationship with a guy who was an aeronautics engineer who did lots of trouble shooting for Corporate jets. They would often throw inpromptu dinners for some of the old HS crowd and I was always surprised how many people just avoided showing up. I would always say that these people (sorta like Spendi) were "Remonstrative Christians" who were over moralizing everything and (I think) were afraid to be seen with gay people for what others of their herds would think. Or else they were afraid it was catching.

From the evolution threads, Ive always found spendis arguments to be less on substance and more on format. He wants to be seen being seen. His arguments are vacuous but he does em with such colorful plumage.

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@RexRed,

BTW, noone denoies that one of the definitions of marriage i "any intimate union"

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@farmerman,

Marriage is an institution with a purpose. I'll deny that it is any intimate union.

What does "intimate union" mean? We need a definition of that before the statement is even worth considering. How can you define something without defining the terms in the definition? That's vacuity without any plumage.

And the "art for art's sake" movement is entirely about plumage.

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If the church and state are suppose to be separate then I would think that the state should not recognize marriages but instead have legal unions for all that want a legal union, at least when it comes to legalities!
No more recognition of marriages by the state! Let the two who want to be married determine if they want a church wedding or not!

All states that do not allow same sex marriages seem to be going against the idea of separation of church and state and are discriminating. I wonder if the gay community could sue the states with help from the government?

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@reasoning logic,

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If the church and state are suppose to be separate then I would think that the state should not recognize marriages but instead have legal unions for all that want a legal union, at least when it comes to legalities!

We do that in England. After a church wedding there is a civil servant in the vestry to record the State wedding. Without that couples are not legally married. Neither are they legally married without consumation. It is grounds for nullity if there is no coinsumation.

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