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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 01:24 pm
@neologist,
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sending the message to impressionable teens that homosexual feelings are no different than left handedness is a colossal mistake.


What is this mistake that you speak of?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 02:18 pm
@neologist,
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Left to ourselves, we humans have never been able to decide what is good and what is bad. But sending the message to impressionable teens that homosexual feelings are no different than left handedness is a colossal mistake.


Do you think that the science of ethics may be able to decide what is good and what is bad in the near future?

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 03:08 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Just because I am an atheist does not mean that I can not find value in the moral philosophy taught by Jesus.


You wouldn't know about that philosophy, which some people don't consider moral at all, without the Church to hold it up for everybody. And if you consider the likeliest philosophy to have come down to us had the Church disappeared, which it has often been in danger of doing, as it might be now, you may understand better some of the methods it has used to ensure that it survived and prospered in an age less enlightened than our own, and, indeed, enlightened by that very philosophy.

The human failings that necessarily follow in an organisation of such a size, and so widespread, are really neither here nor there. An intellectual would not seriously consider them unless the sanction and approval of them was to be found in its official documents. Which they are not.

It is not your beliefs that are in question. It is you undermining the Church.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 03:12 pm
@neologist,
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That will keep government out of the bedroom and religion out of government, at least in the area of private behavior.


I don't think either are possible neo.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 04:24 pm
@spendius,
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It is not your beliefs that are in question. It is you undermining the Church.


I do not undermine the church silly. Just because my user name has reason and logic in it does not constitute that I am the one undermining the church.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 04:28 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
Do you think that the science of ethics may be able to decide what is good and what is bad in the near future?
I checked into this movement about 50 years ago: http://www.nysec.org/

I don't give them a rat's behind of a chance, actually.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 04:29 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
What is this mistake that you speak of?
You will have to go back and read my posts. I've already said it 2 or 3 times. Maybe more.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 04:38 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
I wrote:
That will keep government out of the bedroom and religion out of government, at least in the area of private behavior.
I don't think either are possible neo.
I know. I don't expect human government to ever provide a solution.

When I look at the emotional pain of those with sexual identity issues, it pains me because I know the answer is in the place where they seem afraid to look.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 04:40 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Looks like I need to build a tornado shelter because God has been using a lot of them lately to kill humans, birds, animals, plants and every thing else. Well at least he is not discriminating when it comes to things being evil. I wonder what the trees did wrong.


This sort of comment is intended to be wry mockery of believers, but it is merely reflective of a childish and entirely human centric perception of God, or cowardly insistence on mocking the childlike, while avoiding intellectual engagement with adults

Tornados are the inevitable result of a extremely complex weather system that enables life on earth to thrive. Obviously they are destructive, but so are
wildfires, and by now most people have watched enough Nat Geo to know that
certain ecologies depend upon wildfires

Clearly there are people who believe that God punishes the wicked with natural disasters, but why would anyone spend any time engaging with them?

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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 04:48 pm
@neologist,
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I checked into this movement about 50 years ago: http://www.nysec.org/

I don't give them a rat's behind of a chance, actually.


Would you kindly share with me how the link you provided and a rat's behind has to do with what I shared with you?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 04:51 pm
@neologist,
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You will have to go back and read my posts. I've already said it 2 or 3 times. Maybe more.


I do apologize for not being as intellectual as you think you may be but do you really think that Rex is some freak mistake of nature?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 04:52 pm
@neologist,
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I know the answer is in the place where they seem afraid to look.


Where is this answer that you know to be factual?
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 04:53 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
. . . Just because my user name has reason and logic in it does not constitute that I am the one undermining the church.
First you would have to apply reason and logic to your confirmation bias. Then you will find that reason and logic will fail to undermine scripture. As to any particular church . . . . Well, that is another story.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 04:56 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Just because my user name has reason and logic in it does not constitute that I am the one undermining the church.


I know why you chose a name with "reason" and "logic" in it. You sought to impress the naive before you started.

Your posts show that it was not ironical. Your "men in long black robes" obsession is as bad as mine regarding lingerie.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 04:58 pm
@neologist,
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First you would have to apply reason and logic to your confirmation bias. Then you will find that reason and logic will fail to undermine scripture


Do I understand you correctly?

You think that confirmation biases based on the reasoning and logic used by theists is what the world is missing?
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 04:59 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
I wrote:
I checked into this movement about 50 years ago: http://www.nysec.org/

I don't give them a rat's behind of a chance, actually.
Would you kindly share with me what the link you provided and a rat's behind has to do with what I shared with you?
Sorry, I should have mentioned that Ethical Culture is organized non theism.It was in response to this query:
reasoning logic wrote:
Do you think that the science of ethics may be able to decide what is good and what is bad in the near future?
Lofty goals, actually.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 05:00 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Your "men in long black robes" obsession is as bad as mine regarding lingerie.
Too much info, Spendy? Smile
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 05:02 pm
@spendius,
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Your "men in long black robes" obsession is as bad as mine regarding lingerie.


What makes you so certain that I was not able to detect those long dark robes as being a form of lingerie for you?
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 05:08 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
I wrote:
First you would have to apply reason and logic to your confirmation bias. Then you will find that reason and logic will fail to undermine scripture
Do I understand you correctly?

You think that confirmation biases based on the reasoning and logic used by theists is what the world is missing?
Many have confirmation bias. Would you believe the Bible warns against it? I was referring to yours, in particular. It's hard to understand your last sentence because confirmation bias will disappear under the effects of reason and logic.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 27 May, 2013 05:12 pm
@neologist,
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Sorry, I should have mentioned that Ethical Culture is organized non theism.It was in response to this query:


Are you being serious? You do not think that theism is able to form an ethical culture?

Why not stop the attacks against me that seem silly and attack the science that I share with you instead?

here is a little of it again.

 

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