California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

If you can get BBC Parliament there is a full scale debate on the topic here taking place this afternoon and evening with a vote at 2200 hours.

I imagine that most of the less difficult aspects of the controversy will be given a full airing.

It should clarify matters to a degree despite murky undercurrents which might be only alluded to obtusely.

Good try, but doesn't quite work. Look at Table 5 on page 8. 23.2% are juveniles (<18yo) and 76.8% are adults (18 or >). Not that I see how it matters. These behaviors are not "curious young boys behaving in a way that offended their siblings or friends." These are forcible fondling, sexual assault with an object, forcible sodomy and forcible rape. Not exactly innocent activities that were just taken wrong because they're "homophobes".

And what do you mean "We can look at other information that is damning to heterosexuals and not very damning to homosexuals, should we use this information to take away rights from heterosexuals and allow homosexuals to continue receiving their rights?"

We do that ALL the time. Why do you think it's a near impossibility for a single 18-25yo male to adopt a child? It's because statistically that group is irresponsible. Statistically that group of people are much more likely to be criminals. Statistically that group is much more likely to be a danger to the child than a benefit... just like the homosexuals.

We do it all the time in all sorts of scenarios. More importantly it's not JUST about the pedophilia but it's an aggregate of the issues I've expounded upon. Again... nobody is going to stop them from getting married and living with each other for the rest of their lives... they simply do not qualify to receive the benefits that are derived from marriage.

You're still straw manning.

Bored with you. bye.

God killed 28+ children last-night without even giving a warning.... Even a loud comforting voice "please find shelter" from a burning bush, still believe in God? How about a miracle? How could God's hate on all those southern racists devotees? Even the devil would have found remorse and warned of such a catastrophe. Is God mute in the face of evil...? God does not exist... I am an agnostic but I am very readily swerving toward atheism. So what does God care? Apparently not at all... Not one ******* bit... The tornado was red... God just simply hates the tea party... Sucks to use a sledge hammer to thread a needle. I feel compassion but.... Gays and welfare this is an attack from God on the tea party... Welcome to your own dogma...

Think I am out of line by all of this?

In the news today...

Westboro Baptist Church Blames Oklahoma Tornado On Jason Collins' Coming Out
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/21/westboro-oklahoma-tornado-_n_3312712.html

Every cloud has a silver lining.

Tornado Survivor Finds Dog During TV Interview
http://news.sky.com/story/1093711/tornado-survivor-finds-dog-during-tv-interview

Your obsession with denigrating Christianity because it condemns homosexuality is bending your mind out of shape Rex.

The Church does not condemn homosexuality because it is immoral. It condemns it because it sees it as disruptive to social order, or, at least, to have the potential to be so.

Your task is to show that homosexuality is perfectly harmless or is even beneficial to society. That you have the cart before the horse conveniently allows you to escape that responsibility.

Is there anything else of Christian teaching which you feel is discredited by its association with the Church?

That has to be the dumbest, most hypocritical and contradictory post I've ever read.

First of all, it is not gods job to stop bad things from happening. God is there to provide comfort and strength when bad things happen.

Second you state God does not exist and the very next line you say you are an agnostic. You also state later in the same post that this God you claim doesn't exist hates the tea party and he purposefully attacked them with a tornado. That's interesting because I'm pretty sure the victims didn't consist of only the tea party and Christians.

Third, God didn't attack anyone. These people lived smack dab in the middle of tornado alley. If you choose to live somewhere called tornado alley you can pretty much expect to get hit w a tornado at some point. It's like building a house on a volcano. If the volcano blows, god didn't attack you... You just made a poor decision on where to live.

Last, Westboro does not represent Christianity. You cannot blame the religion for the actions of people who do not follow what it teaches. That's absurd.

It was all cynical... I don't believe in the Abrahamic God especially the fairy-tale you are peddling...

Also, are you blind? DO YOU FOLLOW TO THE LETTER ALL THE TEACHINGS IN THAT STUPID BOOK?

If God has foreknowledge and is so loving does the cat got his tongue?

You didn't even answer any of my questions, you just blather on about how only you can understand the book...

No, your task is to show that Christianity is perfectly harmless or is even beneficial to society... Good luck...

That's easy Rex. It brought us all we have. You should not keep on about the things you don't like whilst ignoring the things you do.

How we live after 2000 years of Christianity can only sensibly be compared with life without it. Best of luck persuading us that we would be better off had it been extirpated. Or at least those of us who haven't yet taken leave of their wits.

Your fond belief that you addressed the post you purport to answer, or even attempted to, is a telling point.

Yes and women have lived 2000 years in the hate of the male chauvinistic bible it is not only about me being gay.

Can you show me where oppression of women, homophobia, condoning of slavery and holy wars are a good thing for society?

OK now that you have taken the bait and have shown that what I stated was not such a good case to make, wouldn't this show that you have the analytical ability to understand statistics a little more correct than someone who is not analytical?



Do you think that it requires psychic powers to be able to read between the lines?





Are you trying to say that you and most theists are in favor of gay marriage?


If we were to look at the numbers you shared could we look at them as if sociopaths seem to have a stronger desire to engage in heterosexual pedophilia rather than homosexual pedophilia?

If we took it even one step further and went to prisons and polled them and asked them if they were theists or atheists what do you think the numbers would look like? Do you think that these tests have never been done before?

I wonder if the majority would claim to have the same faith as you or me.

Uhhh I follow to the letter all of the teachings that were brought forth by Jesus Christ... that's what a christian does.

God does not have foreknowledge of everything. Hence why he repented when he made humans and realized what they were doing. If God had foreknowledge of everything, there would be no such thing as free will. We know that free will exists from the teachings, doctrines and examples set forth by Jesus Christ.

I did answer your questions. You asserted that God should have either stopped those things from happening or warned peoplea bout them. And I informed you, that's not how God works. God does not stop bad things from happening. He simply provides you strength to make it through when bad things do happen.

Again... you don't know what you're talking about. Jesus explicitly stated that there is no such thing as male or female in Christ. We are all simply children if we are willing to be obedient to his teachings.

Again... You CANNOT blame the religion for the actions of the people who do not follow what it teaches. That's patently absurd.

Maybe you'll understand it this way. If someone comes up to you and says, "I'm an atheist. I believe in God." You're going to look at them and tell them that they're not an atheist. Why? Because their second statement contradicted the very definition of what an atheist is. The same is true with christianity. If someone claims to be christian and yet contradicts the doctrines, teachings and examples set forth by Jesus Christ... by definition they cannot be christian.

Luke 19:27
But those my enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring here, and slay them before me.

You better go back and study your bible about homosexual behavior.
http://www.seafox.com/homo.html

It doesn't require psychic powers to read between the lines... of course not. But there's no sense in attacking religion or a religious belief when I haven't stated anything about religion. In otherwords, it's not going to get you anywhere because the case I've made is founded upon facts, economics, sociology, pedophilia and have nothing to do with religion. So attacking religion isn't going to get you anywhere.

And of course most theists are opposed to gay marriage... then again the majority of people in america are opposed to gay marriage.

And no, the numbers that I shared do NOT show that sociopaths are more likely to engage in heterosexual behavior. In fact it shows the exact opposite. It shows that if you were to take a group of 100 homosexuals and put them in a room you would be MUCH more likely to encounter a pedophile than if you had a group of 100 heterosexuals in a room. As I pointed out with the numbers... homosexuals (representing only ~1-2% of the total population) represent around 26% of the total pedophiles. That means they are overrepresented by about 2600%. On the contrary, heterosexuals (representing ~98-99% of the total population) represent only around 74% of the total pedophilia. That means they are UNDERREPRESENTED. So no... you couldn't make that argument.

And as I said before, it doesn't matter whether or not most people agree with my religion... because the case I'm making has absolutely nothing to do with religion.