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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2012 09:04 am
@reasoning logic,
You need to understand the logistics of this. 42 out of 44 dioceses are in favour of women bishops. In order to pass Synod in needs a 2/3 majority in both houses of clergy and laity. In the end a handful of votes by the laity stopped it. It's a bit like the Republicans filibustering in the Senate.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2012 09:59 am
@izzythepush,
This was mentioned in the House of Commons today.

Quote:
The Church of England's decision to reject the introduction of women bishops makes it look like "a sect", a senior Church representative has said.

Conservative MP Sir Tony Baldry, the Second Church Estates Commissioner, said he was frustrated by the actions of a blocking minority in the synod.

Tory backbencher Eleanor Laing argued that the Church's "position as the established church must be called into question" as a result of the vote.

Sir Tony said this was a "good point".

There was "overwhelming support" among members of the Church of England for the introduction of women bishops, he told MPs in response to an urgent question tabled by Labour MP Diana Johnson.

Sir Tony, as Second Church Estates Commissioner, is responsible for taking questions in Parliament on Church matters and steering Church legislation through the Commons. Second Church Estates Commissioner

He noted that "94% of the bishops who voted on Tuesday voted in support of the measure, as did 77% of the House of Clergy; even in the House of Laity, 64% were in favour".

He blamed a "handful of votes amongst the laity" for the failure to secure the requisite two-thirds majority in each house of the tricameral legislative body.

"It is impossible for me to explain to parliamentary colleagues how a measure that has had the support of 42 out of the 44 dioceses failed to pass in general synod," Sir Tony said, questioning whether the election process to the House of Laity was "sufficiently representative".

Sir Tony offered to convene a meeting between concerned MPs and the incoming Archbishop of Canterbury, the Right Reverend Justin Welby.

Contrary to reports, new legislation on the subject could be introduced before 2015, he said.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20443718
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2012 10:10 am
@izzythepush,
Thanks Izzy I did not know the process completely.

Are you saying that a majority of the members also support women bishops too but not a total of 2/3 of both houses of clergy and laity. ?

I may have misheard or did not understand the video but I thought that the bishops were mostly in favor but the laymen were not.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2012 10:15 am
@izzythepush,
Disregard my previous reply Wink

Thanks Izzy that cleared it up a bit. I was in the middle of a reply while I was attending to a turkey and when I came back to finish my reply I seen you had already another post.

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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2012 11:57 am
@reasoning logic,
It's just another feminist bitching controversy. Some women resent being excluded from anything. And such women tend to rise to the top in organisations in media due to ratings chasing being the only business such organisations bother with.

They resented being excluded from the Long Room at Lords cricket headquarters and used lottery money, £4.5 million I think, which is supposed to be for charity, to bribe the powers there to let them in. They have used the same method in men's clubs all over the country. I was a member of one of them. We got a grant of about £250, 000 to build netball courts on condition we allowed them into the snooker room. The facilities in the room were crude and cheap. Plastic topped tables on long metal legs and hard chairs. Worn lino. No curtains. Next door was the lounge with beautiful fittings, plush seating and richly textured carpet, where the sensible women preferred to socialise.

Obviously they had to take over the Lottery first which was sold to us on the basis of raising money for deserving causes such as poor children and subsidised seats at the opera.

I'm always suspicious of these 2/3rds majorities in two electorates. In this case, as usual, the result is that the hierarchy keep in the good books of the termagents and don't have to put up with women bishops ( a contradiction in terms anyway) as a bonus. A win/win outcome with some unidentified abstract concept such as "The Laity" emerging from the backwoods to do the business and take the heat.

So the top brass don't get any bad things said about them in media and can continue campaigning on the issue for a few more years and thus be seen at the cutting edge of radical reform.

The C.of E. is a large property company anyway and provides opportunities for ritualistic penitence on occasion for well-heeled bankers, lawyers and insurance brokers.

It's a game of cat and mouse rl. I wouldn't pay it any mind if I was you. It's about being on TV basically, making an indignant noise.



reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2012 05:57 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
It's just another feminist bitching controversy



Not everyone who feels feminine are bitching spendius.


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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2012 06:10 pm
Was it not Gods will that there would be homosexuality?

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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2012 09:57 pm
https://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/world/2012/nov/23/supreme-court-gay-marriage-doma

I might say I hate this whole ******* world...

From the day I was born from my mom slapping my face hard every time i said something she did not like to your lackluster **** of my music... well, the only failure is you all... I don't think I can forgive you.
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2012 10:43 pm
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 Nov, 2012 04:41 am
@RexRed,
Chin up Rex, don't let the bastards grind you down.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 24 Nov, 2012 08:12 am
@izzythepush,
The last person I know of who was given that advice is doing 7 years as a guest of Her Majesty the Queen.

Being got down is an evolutionary mechanism like being burned by a fire.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 Nov, 2012 08:40 am
@spendius,
That's 'cause you hang about with criminals, but I'm not going to take the high ground on this, I've got some very dodgy mates.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 24 Nov, 2012 11:00 am
@izzythepush,
I was referring to the guy who scarpered to Cyprus and then came back to answer the charges after a few years. I think Nidal was his name. A prominent Tory MP gave him a watch inscribed "Don't let the buggers get you down".
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 Nov, 2012 11:21 am
@spendius,
Was it Michael Mates? He's spitting feathers right now after losing Hampshire police commissioner on second pref votes to the independent.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 24 Nov, 2012 12:46 pm
@izzythepush,
Yes. Mates.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 Nov, 2012 03:10 pm
@spendius,
If Prescott hadn't been knocked out it would have been Mates' face on the front page the next day.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 12:40 pm
@RexRed,
Quote:
I might say I hate this whole ******* world...

From the day I was born from my mom slapping my face hard every time i said something she did not like to your lackluster **** of my music... well, the only failure is you all... I don't think I can forgive you.


I was not able to read what was on Facebook because I do not fave Facebook but I can say that I am sorry that you are down and many of us have not always been who we are today, we are all evolving and what I understand we are all becoming more empathic but I do realize that does not help you at the moment nor does it help me with the injustices that people put in front of me. We are all blind in one sense or another when it comes to morality. Cheer up Rex.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 11:02 pm
http://www.singsnap.com/karaoke/watchandlisten/play/b36faaa64
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 12:36 am
@RexRed,
Rex my boy, I think you have issues that extend beyond same sex marriage and even being gay.

I don't, at all, intend to be snarky or patronizing, but I think you need to see a professional counselor, and talk the **** out.

The apparent depth of your unhappiness is, obviously, not healthy.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 12:47 pm
@RexRed,
Looks like SCOTUS is going to look into "gay marriage."
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