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California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 03:45 pm
This person seems to share some of Rex's points of view.

RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 09:21 pm
@reasoning logic,
If wiki leaks broke into your house and stole your email accounts and started publishing private conversations between you and a lover online would you want people donating to such an organization so they could perpetrate more theft?

Transparency during war time is like your own troops drawing a map in the sand so the enemy knows your every move... I do not support wikileaks... I support fairly elected officials of sovereign states.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 12:53 am
@RexRed,
Quote:
If wiki leaks broke into your house and stole your email accounts and started publishing private conversations between you and a lover online would you want people donating to such an organization so they could perpetrate more theft?


That is not quite the way I see it.

I see it as whistle blowers within a group of people seeing corruption and sharing it with you and I. Wiki leaks was not the only publisher that thought that this type of info should be published.


Quote:
Transparency during war time is like your own troops drawing a map in the sand so the enemy knows your every move... I do not support wikileaks... I support fairly elected officials of sovereign states.


I know we have been taught that this is the way to think but I still question it.

I look at our wars like a group of teen aged kids in a gang going around acting like the mafia and telling everyone how good they do for their own communities and around the world and then you have wiki leaks that reveals a little more info than the gang wants you to know.

I think that there are some decent people in the military but I also think that there are some bad apples as well and they are all led by people who have agendas that we all do not agree with.
RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 08:18 am
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 08:36 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Quote:
If wiki leaks broke into your house and stole your email accounts and started publishing private conversations between you and a lover online would you want people donating to such an organization so they could perpetrate more theft?


That is not quite the way I see it.

I see it as whistle blowers within a group of people seeing corruption and sharing it with you and I. Wiki leaks was not the only publisher that thought that this type of info should be published.


Quote:
Transparency during war time is like your own troops drawing a map in the sand so the enemy knows your every move... I do not support wikileaks... I support fairly elected officials of sovereign states.


I know we have been taught that this is the way to think but I still question it.

I look at our wars like a group of teen aged kids in a gang going around acting like the mafia and telling everyone how good they do for their own communities and around the world and then you have wiki leaks that reveals a little more info than the gang wants you to know.

I think that there are some decent people in the military but I also think that there are some bad apples as well and they are all led by people who have agendas that we all do not agree with.


Educate me, I am ignorant and come from a sheepish grain fed ignorance fostered by mass media that has been "government approved". I do remember media members threatening to go to Iraq and act as human shields to prevent the Iraq war. We are damned either way sometimes.

I did see some of the wiki leaks footage of our military and was inflamed by the childish way in which they blew up civilians along with terrorists while laughing about it... Like is was some kind of video game and joke. That not what I expected at all. But what of the laughter of the Taliban when they blow up a whole market full of civilians? Where is the honorable wiki leaks for that side of the war?

Where are the Bradley Mannings to expose the Taliban's hateful mentality and gross civil rights violations that ave been perpetrated for many years even before the war started?

I am vehemently opposed to the way our military acted while blowing up innocent people but the Taliban does this sort of thing with much less regard for life and with much less remorse. I am sure after blowing up a whole market of people they don't go back to their Taliban unit, think about their dirty deeds and commit suicide over the grief and guilt like our military has been doing on a daily basis.

I am still divided.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 09:44 am
@RexRed,
You wrote,
Quote:
If wiki leaks broke into your house and stole your email accounts and started publishing private conversations between you and a lover online would you want people donating to such an organization so they could perpetrate more theft?


Wrong premise; it was the sloppy way in which the information was leaked. Nobody had to break into anybody's house to get the info. Rather, it was a weakness in the internal controls; that can be blamed to the "security clearance" given to an unstable individual.

If your bank's internet connection is not secure, who would you blame if outsiders got your account information because an employee leaked that info?

Nobody broke into the bank.
RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 09:46 am
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 10:02 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You wrote,
Quote:
If wiki leaks broke into your house and stole your email accounts and started publishing private conversations between you and a lover online would you want people donating to such an organization so they could perpetrate more theft?


Wrong premise; it was the sloppy way in which the information was leaked. Nobody had to break into anybody's house to get the info. Rather, it was a weakness in the internal controls; that can be blamed to the "security clearance" given to an unstable individual.

If your bank's internet connection is not secure, who would you blame if outsiders got your account information because an employee leaked that info?

Nobody broke into the bank.


Manning stole that info from his place of work. It is like selling the company formula for Coca Cola from work but more serious and giving it to the company's competitor. Wikileaks was an accessory to the crime. To later say well, I robbed the bank for a good reason... Well that is up to a judge, jury and/or military tribunal etc to decide. I also think public opinion should be considered due to the nature of info leaked.

Yes Bradley Manning broke into the records vault and stole these record and started a wave of other hacking and thieving crimes of private information. Was he in the right? I honestly don't know. How severe was this crime? I don't know that either.

Is the other side in this war any better? I do know that and the answer is no! They are not one bit any better if not much worse...

One army does it in secret and one does it right out in the open without any conscience.

Who is better?

Considering with the US military these infractions seem to be the exception and not the rule.. You decide...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 10:14 am
@RexRed,
That's what I said; it was an inside job. Nobody broke in to get that info. The fault lies with the people who put him into a position where he had access to classified info. The employer is at fault.

It's the same with any security position; whether it's a bank, government agency, or any place that needs to keep their information confidential from the "outside."

It's called "due diligence."
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 04:32 pm
@RexRed,
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Educate me, I am ignorant and come from a sheepish grain fed ignorance fostered by mass media that has been "government approved". I do remember media members threatening to go to Iraq and act as human shields to prevent the Iraq war. We are damned either way sometimes.


I am only sharing my view point is all and I am not trying to say I am correct but rather trying to see other view points and why people come to these conclusions.

I personally think that you are very educated and should be able to read wiki leaks if you chose. Many people have been threatened "military personal, government personal and college students" "that if they do read them they could be in trouble. Talk about mind control. 2 Cents

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Where are the Bradley Mannings to expose the Taliban's hateful mentality and gross civil rights violations that ave been perpetrated for many years even before the war started?


That is very old info and I do not think that there has been a lack of talk about it.

RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 09:01 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Quote:
Educate me, I am ignorant and come from a sheepish grain fed ignorance fostered by mass media that has been "government approved". I do remember media members threatening to go to Iraq and act as human shields to prevent the Iraq war. We are damned either way sometimes.


I am only sharing my view point is all and I am not trying to say I am correct but rather trying to see other view points and why people come to these conclusions.

I personally think that you are very educated and should be able to read wiki leaks if you chose. Many people have been threatened "military personal, government personal and college students" "that if they do read them they could be in trouble. Talk about mind control. 2 Cents

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Where are the Bradley Mannings to expose the Taliban's hateful mentality and gross civil rights violations that ave been perpetrated for many years even before the war started?


That is very old info and I do not think that there has been a lack of talk about it.



Islamic countries have had an Arab spring where Arabs have rid their world of a few western (mostly secular) dictators. What about the Arab spring that rids their countries of religious dictators from within? I see them as a greater threat to their world. Where are the Bradly Mannings exposing that? What good is the ones sided Wiki Leaks that cares nothing about woman's rights, religious freedom from persecution and death, gay rights within Islamic countries? WL has taken it upon itself to cast the speck out of America's eye... now what? They have no plan other than their own satisfaction in seeing America stumble... I take issue with that.

The Taliban and their hateful deeds have been perpetuated for many years... Yes there is a lot of "talk" about that (not enough), what about "action" from within? Where are the Arab champions of civil rights? Time will tell us...
RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 10:27 pm
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 11:20 pm
Chick-Fil-A Responds To Anti-Gay Controversy On Facebook
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-controversy-responds_n_1686682.html

I don't think Cathy's statement is enough... How about undoing his hate by openly donating to LGBT causes? He can take his chicken and shove it. How many 14 year old LGBT kids have killed themselves due to his donations to hate groups? LGBT people are family too...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 11:28 pm
SPLC demands hate group stop misusing gay couple’s engagement photo
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/splc-demands-hate-group-stop-misusing-gay-couple-s-engagement-photo?newsletter=SPLC071812
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 11:35 pm
Effect of leaks not relevant for Bradley Manning trial: judge
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/19/effect-of-leaks-not-relevant-for-bradley-manning-trial-judge/
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2012 12:32 am
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2012 12:33 am
Judge Dismisses Giant, Whiny Lawsuit Claiming Obamacare Violates Religious Freedom
http://jezebel.com/5926838/judge-dismisses-giant-whiny-lawsuit-claiming-obamacare-violates-religious-freedom
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2012 01:35 am
Mormon Group Shows Support and Marches in Gay Pride Parade
http://www.5min.com/Video/Mormon-Group-Shows-Support-and-Marches-in-Gay-Pride-Parade-517386534
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2012 04:47 am
BSA receives Federal Funding. I wouldn't care at all if they were a private organisation.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2012 06:13 am
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