@spendius,
spendius wrote:
It is not their personalities and peopleness which distinguishes them as lesbians. It is certain particular positions they occasionally get into.
You are in danger of positing an important argument on euphemisms. I'll say it again--Parading under a lesbian banner must surely be an attempt to draw attention to what those positions are and who gets into them occasionally. Such a specific banner cannot possibly be an attempt to draw attention to their personalities and peopleness.
BTW Rex--the Church has nothing significant to say about lesbians.
There are just as many "euphemisms" in the English language that can be used to describe heterosexuals. They are called taboos for a reason, because it is a form of insult to speak publicly about what people privately do with their bodies in the bedroom. I would rather not hear your euphemisms concerning lesbians. Just as it would be tasteless and a form of insult to speak publicly of what heterosexuals do in the privacy of their own bedrooms...
As for your use of the word "positions" I think it is possibly just your own way if insulting and degrading lesbians. If it is your way of insulting I would prefer that you keep your own position to yourself...
I already know of your disrespect for women and I do not agree one bit...
As for the church having no doctrine on lesbians, well, I have heard "the church" say things about lesbians which pale in comparison to their position on homosexuals. Things so hateful I would not even repeat it because it is unfounded, chauvinistically hateful and would be something you would not be able to get out of your mind once spoken.
I disagree with the church also on their hateful and disgusting insults on lesbians. You forget I am ordained clergy. In my lifetime I have heard it all. Had they known I would one day be an agnostic, perhaps the church would never have confided in me with revealing their most hateful doctrines.
So what position distinguishes lesbians to me? Holding hands, laughing and crying together in love? Hugging and walking arm in arm?
I don't like where you have taken or plan to take this discussion Spendi.
The subject comes down not to whether being a gay or a lesbian person is acceptable behavior but whether if being hateful and disgusting is appropriate behavior.
As for the church, their doctrines have been proven false and moot, thus their conclusions erroneous and unsound.
One example: Cain killed Abel and since then (according to the church) death came into the world...
What about dinosaurs? Did they not die? I agree with "thou shalt not murder" but the foundation is just simply a fabrication of the truth. Humanity does not need to be fed a lie to find the better part of our psyche.
Once one builds error upon error they come to the mindset and precipice that you fanatically employ to toss your insulting logic from...
Just as heterosexuals are all about personalities and peopleness and to judge them as a whole based upon "positions they occasionally get into" is a travesty of judgment.
I identify lesbians with sunshine and goodness and you judge them by "positions"... This should be a fine indicator of the difference between our personal character and the worth and benevolence comparatively of our own souls. You express your judgments based upon sexuality and I express my judgments based solely upon mutual human love...
