Boy Scouts/Discrimination

The only objection I've ever heard about lesbian scout leaders is that there is a tendency to promote the lesbian lifestyle

It is quite reasonable, however, to assume that pedophiles seeking out young boys are far more likely to be gay than heterosexual. Can we at least agree on that?

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It is quite reasonable, however, to assume that pedophiles seeking out young boys are far more likely to be gay than heterosexual. Can we at least agree on that?

This statement continues to conflict with both research and sense. Any stats saying that homosexual pedophilia is more common than heterosexual pedophilia is a misrepresentation. Perhaps the confusion lies in a mis-labeling of data. I think that the term homosexual pedophile means a pedophile who is targeting victims of the same gender. This does not mean (as you seem to admit) that all of those same-gender offenders are gay. I invite you to find credible data to disclaim my stance.

It is quite reasonable, however, to assume that pedophiles seeking out young boys are far more likely to be gay than heterosexual.

One manifestation of prejudice has been the allegation that gay men pose a particular danger to children. However, all available research data and clinical experience indicates that gay men are not more likely than heterosexual men to sexually abuse children. A study of children seen for sexual abuse in a one-year period at a Denver children's hospital, for example, found that less than one percent of the identified adult offenders were gay or lesbian. Of the 219 abused girls, only one instance of abuse had been attributed to a lesbian. Of the 50 abused boys, only one instance of abuse had been attributed to a gay man. In contrast, 88 percent of the offenders had documented heterosexual relationships and most were heterosexual partners of a family member (77 percent of those who abused the girls and 74 percent of those who abused the boys).35/

One source of confusion in this area is that many men who sexually abuse boys are not themselves homosexual. Rather, they are attracted, entirely or predominately, to children. These men have never developed a mature sexual orientation, either heterosexual or homosexual.36/ One study of 175 adult males who had been convicted in Massachusetts for sexual assault of a child found that 47 percent were exclusively interested in children, 40 percent were regressed heterosexuals, and 13 percent were regressed bisexuals.37/ None had an exclusively homosexual orientation, and none of those who were bisexual were primarily attracted to men.38/

Assertions to the contrary by Family Research Council and others cannot be considered reliable. These amici seriously mischaracterize research39/ and rely on dubious sources.40/ Their presumption that homosexual men are pedophiles is contrary to the legitimate research in the field, just as any such presumption about heterosexual men would be.41/ http://www.apa.org/psyclaw/boyscout.html

Using the fixated-regressed distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) studied 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..."

Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified " only 2 of the 269 cases

In yet another approach to studying adult sexual attraction to children, some Canadian researchers observed how homosexual and heterosexual adult men responded to slides of males and females of various ages (child, pubescent, and mature adult). All of the research subjects were first screened to ensure that they preferred physically mature sexual partners. In some of the slides shown to subjects, the model was clothed; in others, he or she was nude. The slides were accompanied by audio recordings. The recordings paired with the nude models described an imaginary sexual interaction between the model and the subject. The recordings paired with the pictures of clothed models described the model engaging in neutral activities (e.g., swimming). To measure sexual arousal, changes in the subjects' penis volume were monitored while they watched the slides and listened to the audiotapes. The researchers found that homosexual males responded no more to male children than heterosexual males responded to female children

There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual

There are, however, two major problems with these claims which try to link homosexuality with pedophilia. First, the statistical data that has been cited is based upon a serious distortion of reputable scientists’ studies on child molestation. The scientists who authored the studies made no such claim about homosexuals posing a greater threat to children, and in fact in many cases explicitly argued the opposite. These scientists have concluded that pedophilia is a separate orientation from homosexuality and that the vast majority of molesters who target boys have either no interest in mature males or are heterosexual men who are attracted to the feminine characteristics of young boys.

Concludes Groth.....It appears, therefore, that the adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater sexual risk to underage children than does the adult homosexual male

Most of us think that a child molester is a rather slimy individual( a stranger in town, sitting in his car near a schoolyard, luring children with candy. Our findings reveal that, on the contrary, the child molester is not a stranger, but is someone we know well. He often is a man we trust, a man our children trust. . . .

Speaking as a parent...

I feel much more comfortable with someone who is in a healthy adult relationship, then someone who is repressing their sexuality and forced to live a lie.

Openly gay men don't scare me. Repressed gay Christians in heterosexual marriages scare the crap out of me.

So find statistics that prove otherwise.

I see nothing here beyond the typical bullshit that you guys do to every single post Fox makes and it's still tiresome. If they wish to challenge her statement, it should be pretty easy to do, otherwise, STFU.

the incidents of sexual misconduct by heterosexual family men was virtually nil.

Robert Malcomb, Jr., a former scoutmaster in Oklahoma, pleaded guilty on Friday to 61 charges of having had sex with five boys under the age of 14, as well as multiple counts of rape, forcible oral sodomy, lewd acts with children and bestiality. His wife turned him in after she caught him molesting a 12-year-old boy in their home. Malcomb had been a scout leader since 1992.

An assistant Boy Scout leader accused of raping a child who was a family friend has pleaded not guilty. Nick Miller Jr., 59, entered the plea Friday to charges of child rape and child molestation filed in Pierce County Superior Court. Miller was being held on $1 million bail. If he makes bail, Judge John Hickman ordered him to have no contact with children. Miller, who is married and has three children in high school and college, is a retired Gig Harbor businessman and a volunteer firefighter.

A Boy Scout leader in Brevard County, Fla., has been charged with molesting three pre-teens from his Titusville troop.... King, who is married, invited at least five boys to his home on Friday, telling them they were going to build a Christmas float. That evening one of the boy's parents contacted police about King.

Gwinnett County police say 16 people have now accused a former Lawrenceville Cub Scout leader of molestation since his arrest last month. A bond hearing for 44-year-old Harry Brett Taylor is scheduled for next Thursday in Gwinnett County Superior Court. Taylor's attorney, Walt Britt, said earlier his client maintains his innocence. Taylor was a member of the Gwinnett County Public Library Board until he was accused. He is being held at the Gwinnett County Jail without bond. An 8-year-old boy was the first to accuse Taylor of fondling him during a sleepover at Taylor's house. Taylor's wife, Joanne Taylor, has filed for divorce. Gwinnett County Superior Court records show the couple married in March 1991 and have five children.

A Manhattan Boy Scout troop leader was charged yesterday with molesting a boy in his troop on a regular basis between September 1996 and May 1997...
Prosecutors said yesterday that they had obtained 50 minutes of taped conversations between Mr. Schwartz and the boy in which the two discussed the alleged sexual abuse. The boy, now 20, is being treated for substance abuse in a Florida center, and according to his lawyer, Michael Dowd, suffers from severe depression and sexual dysfunction as a result of his encounters with Mr. Schwartz.....
Mr. Schwartz, neatly dressed in a navy blazer, gray slacks and loafers, was led into court, handcuffed, while his wife, Eileen, sat in the gallery

Do the Girl Scouts have a corresponding "no-lesbians" policy? What level of abuse, if any, do they observe?