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8 year old accidently shoots himself with an Uzi

 
 
dagmaraka
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 01:37 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Quote:

This doesn't strike me as very smart
or responsible from those who run the facility

U are anti-gun freedom.
What can we EXPECT u to think about anything that is pro-gun freedom ?


stop assigning me views. you don't have the faintest clue what i think.
all i'm saying is that the facility is not responsible. it is absolutely none of your business to state if i am pro or anti anything.

...besides you are so very wrong.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 01:38 pm
@contrex,
Be damned, Contrex !
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 01:45 pm
@dagmaraka,
Quote:

stop assigning me views.
you don't have the faintest clue what i think.

I do, unless your posts up until now
have all been hypocritically unrepresentative of what u "think".
I accepted prima facie that what u post reflects what u "think".
Correct me, if I am rong.

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it is absolutely none of your business
to state if i am pro or anti anything.

I am within my rights to state whatever I damn well please.
U can contradict me, or put me on Ignore, if u please.

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...besides you are so very wrong.

Based upon months of reading your posts,
I don't believe u.
I stand by what I posted.
Contradict me, if u wish to apply the time.




David
dagmaraka
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 01:50 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
stick to the topic and comment on the content of the topic. not on my personna, please. you are speculating and assuming.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 01:53 pm
@BillRM,
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The child could had been kill mowing the lawn for example by having the lawnmower throwing a rock and yet many parents allow 8 years olds with adults around to mow lawns!


After my brother and I got to be eight and nine my parents never did any yard work again.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 02:00 pm
Life is full of risks, some of which are unknown.

It is presumptuous of people to inveigh against other people
enjoying their lives, having as much fun as possible,
by means that do not comport with the tastes of the denouncers.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 02:13 pm
@dagmaraka,
Quote:

stick to the topic and comment on the content of the topic.
not on my personna, please. you are speculating and assuming.

I do not wish to offend u, Dag,
but u put your state-of-mind into issue
when u commented about how certain things "strike" u
insofar as their being "very smart" or "responsible".

Having done so,
it is fair to address both your philosophy and your psychology,
as thay have been manifested in your posts.

I am willing to leave it there, without further comment,
unless u choose to prolong discussion of this matter.





David
parados
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 03:43 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:

We disagree as to both of those assertions,
and I ratify what I posted.

My post said none of it.

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U implied, with no evidence, and with no respect for people of a certain age group,
that thay cannot drive cars,

I said no such thing. My statement doesn't imply that children can't drive cars under proper supervision.
parados wrote:

What do you think the charge would be against a parent that let their 8 year old drive and that child crashed and killed themselves? Not only would it piss me off that a parent did such a thing, I would support them being charged with a crime.


Children under proper supervision don't crash cars and die. My statement in no way implies that all children of 8 that tried to drive would crash and die. Your argument is a strawman that has nothing to do with what I said.

Let's look at the next part of your statement
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in other words: GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT, with no effort to prove anything,
simply to proceed with criminal prosecution of freedom minded adults.


I said "charged with a crime. You claimed it means "guilty until proven innocent." Your statement is not what I said. In the US no one is guilty until proven so. Being charged doesn't make anyone guilty. Supporting charging someone certainly doesn't mean they are guilty until proven innocent. Maybe you need a refresher course in how the US court system works.

Your distortions are CLEARLY not what I said and you are doing nothing more than creating a strawman because you can't argue against what I actually said.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 04:13 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Quote:

stick to the topic and comment on the content of the topic.
not on my personna, please. you are speculating and assuming.

I do not wish to offend u, Dag,
but u put your state-of-mind into issue
when u commented about how certain things "strike" u
insofar as their being "very smart" or "responsible".

Having done so,
it is fair to address both your philosophy and your psychology,
as thay have been manifested in your posts.

I am willing to leave it there, without further comment,
unless u choose to prolong discussion of this matter.


David



prolong? i did not even bring it up here.
comment on those POLICIES then - whether you think they are responsible or not, not on what you believe that i think- because, again, you can have no idea. i will not humor you and engage in a discussion about myself. that just does not belong on a forum. there even used to be Terms of Service about that -- comment on the topic, not on the person.

you have no business commenting on my "philosophy" or "psychology" (sic!...i presume you meant my psyche). you don't know me. some posts on an online forum do not entitle you to claim that you do. good day.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 04:55 pm
@dagmaraka,
Quote:

prolong? i did not even bring it up here.

The record speaks for itself.


Quote:

comment on those POLICIES then -
whether you think they are responsible or not, not on what you
believe that i think- because, again, you can have no idea.
i will not humor you and engage in a discussion about myself.
that just does not belong on a forum. there even used to be
Terms of Service about that -- comment on the topic, not on the person.

you have no business commenting on my "philosophy"
or "psychology" (sic!...i presume you meant my psyche).
you don't know me. some posts on an online forum do not entitle
you to claim that you do. good day.

I don 't feel a need to add to what I 've already said.
Enuf is enuf.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 05:05 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Enuf is way too much, sometimes...
parados
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 05:07 pm
@Rockhead,
Anyone that wants to argue that riding in a car, a plane, or a roller coaster is similar to handling a gun with live ammunition has certainly revealed far more than they should have.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 05:18 pm
@parados,
Quote:

Anyone that wants to argue that riding in a car, a plane,
or a roller coaster is similar to handling a gun with live ammunition
has certainly revealed far more than they should have.

Behold how a liberal tries to make his point by snide innuendo,
instead of using logical reasoning about the facts.

The ratio of accidental juvenile mortality from cars, planes
n rollercoasters as distinguished from accidental gunfire,
is HUGE.
dagmaraka
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 05:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


Behold how a liberal tries to make his point by snide innuendo,
instead of using logical reasoning about the facts.


Laughing suddenly that's wrong in your book?
perhaps he felt entitled to' comment on your philosophy an psychology'.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 05:51 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Quote:

David has proven to me how stupid it is to allow an 8 year old
to handle a weapon of any sort let alone a machine gun.


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Its a moot point, since are a hoplophobe; its your nature.
I am 100% certain that u had the same viewpoint before u met me.
U can have an opinion, the same as anyone else.


It is not moot at all. I am certainly not a hoplophobe and you know nothing of my nature.

You really are dumb if you think I could have a viewpoint about you before I met you. My viewpoint was formed by your idiotic views on sensitive subjects.

Thank you for allowing me to have an opinion.

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This by his admitted history as a 8 year old.

U make it sound almost as if I had admitted to robbing liquor stores.
I 'd have delighted in gunnery practice at a younger age, if I had the chance,
while I was still living in NY, before leaving for Arizona.
Guns were magneticly attractive.


No need for a response to this since you obviously didn't understand what was being said in the first place.


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I have to wonder if his love of guns from a young age
has caused his warped thinking in advanced age.


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My sentiments have remained constant since age 3,
on that subject, tho I did not discover the 2nd Amendment,
until I was idly thumbing thru the back of a history book,
and found the US Constitution in school, in Mrs. Kraus' 4th grade class.
" The boy is father to the man. "

I remember the communist next door, Murray Zackin, who used to
praise his Comrade Stalin on summer nights; he grossed me out,
and alarmed me, around age 5 (give or take) when he told me
of NY 's Sullivan law. I ran into my house, to get my mother
to assure me that it wasn 't so; alas.
Praise be unto the USSC in Heller.
Interestingly, Murray had a revolver.


You either have a magnificant memory, or you have a vivid imagination.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 05:55 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Apparently if you go back a hundred years or so in America, shooting sports were the most major kind of thing which everybody got fairly good at and some got extraordinarily good at, and things like baseball and football were second-tier sports.

In that environment, it was possible for a little girl (Oakley) to get so good with a rifle that she could hit birds on the wing and sell them to restaurants at a premium price since there'd be nothing for anybody to harm their teeth on.

When you think about that, you realize that the little girl had to be doing an insane amount of shooting with both rifles and shotguns starting well prior to her eighth birthday and that for every Annie Oakley out there, there would have been tens of thousands of other kids who just put rabbits and ducks on their families' tables with firearms.




Actually, Annie Oakley was 9 when she started shooting. Being born in 1860 would put her in an era where shooting skills put food on the table. Today, we have grocery stores.

How does this rationalize an 8 year old child being allowed to fire an uzi and die in the process?

Shocked Rolling Eyes
Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 05:57 pm
@nimh,
nimh wrote:

"Hoplophobic". Cool. I'd never heard of that word.


Neither had I. I thought he made it up until I looked it up. Still, it does not apply to me. Smile
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 06:00 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Quote:

This doesn't strike me as very smart
or responsible from those who run the facility

U are anti-gun freedom.
What can we EXPECT u to think about anything that is pro-gun freedom ?


This, in no way, takes away from the fact that it was not very smart.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 10:02 pm
@Intrepid,
Quote:

This, in no way, takes away from the fact that it was not very smart.

U are only emoting.

If I challenged u to show how firing submachineguns is dangerous,
u coud only say: "well, look what happened" as if many of the kids
who have used SMGs have been harmed. He is probably the only
person in American history, or in the history of the Earth
to whom this has ever happened, as distinguished from
tens of 1000s who have been killed by cars or ordinary daily activities.
He 'd have been fine, if only he 'd kept his elbows straight.
Many 1000s of kids have used submachineguns, harmlessly, including my neighbors and ME.

Saying that guns were meant to kill is no argument.
Killing is a perfectly proper thing to do, depending upon the circumstances.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2008 10:08 pm
@Intrepid,
Quote:

How does this rationalize an 8 year old child
being allowed to fire an uzi and die in the process?

Its a sport, like playing ball,
which of course we all know has claimed the lives of many more
kids than firing submachineguns.
 

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