8 year old accidently shoots himself with an Uzi

Gotta say it, I would not let an eight year old touch any sort of an automatic weapon. There's no need for it and nothing good could really come of it.

David has proven to me how stupid it is to allow an 8 year old to handle a weapon of any sort let alone a machine gun. This by his admitted history as a 8 year old. I have to wonder if his love of guns from a young age has caused his warped thinking in advanced age.

Have u tried a submachinegun, Gunga ?

I am glad that u did not interfere with MY firing SMGs
at a Nationl Guard gunnery range in Arizona, when I was 8,
along with other kids from my neighborhood many decades ago.
My neighbor was a captain there. I really enjoyed it; it was fun.
It still is. I 'm trying to join the next submachinegun rally at the club.
I left a tape recorded message; hope it will not be adversely affected.

I do not allege that there is ofen a " need " for it,
the way that there is a need for math.
SMGs make excellent home defense weapons,
because thay are short ranged weapons, using pistol ammo,
but regardless of actual " need " thay are really a lot of fun,
and almost always safe. The decedent was using a micro-Uzi.
If the barrel had been longer, he 'd only have a bruise on
the forehead or the nose.
If I had an 8 year old who wished to enjoy the delights
of submachinegunnery, I 'd help him out, but I 'd make a
point of explaining that he must keep his elbows straight,
showing him the path a muzzle may take, if elbows are bent.

I have found a lot less recoil with SMGs,
including .45 Tommy Guns, than with shotguns; thay will rock u back (harmlessly).





David

Its a moot point, since are a hoplophobe; its your nature.
I am 100% certain that u had the same viewpoint before u met me.
U can have an opinion, the same as anyone else.


U make it sound almost as if I had admitted to robbing liquor stores.
I 'd have delighted in gunnery practice at a younger age, if I had the chance,
while I was still living in NY, before leaving for Arizona.
Guns were magneticly attractive.



My sentiments have remained constant since age 3,
on that subject, tho I did not discover the 2nd Amendment,
until I was idly thumbing thru the back of a history book,
and found the US Constitution in school, in Mrs. Kraus' 4th grade class.
" The boy is father to the man. "

I remember the communist next door, Murray Zackin, who used to
praise his Comrade Stalin on summer nights; he grossed me out,
and alarmed me, around age 5 (give or take) when he told me
of NY 's Sullivan law. I ran into my house, to get my mother
to assure me that it wasn 't so; alas.
Praise be unto the USSC in Heller.
Interestingly, Murray had a revolver.

I am surprised that it is legal for an 8 year old to shoot an Uzi. I have an 8 year old nephew, kids that age are still far too small and not strong enough or mature enough to handle weapons, even on firing range and with instructor. I would expect some minimum age requirement at these kinds of facilities.

I also find it highly distasteful to discuss "favorite submachine guns" at a thread about a child's death. Aren't there plenty of other gun threads where this can be discussed? I personally found it somewhat offensive.

David has consistently revealed (to me) that hes an insenstitive jerk. (Witness the "Showing Love to children thread)--that was a classic and creepy submission from clueless DAve).

Apparently if you go back a hundred years or so in America, shooting sports were the most major kind of thing which everybody got fairly good at and some got extraordinarily good at, and things like baseball and football were second-tier sports.

In that environment, it was possible for a little girl (Oakley) to get so good with a rifle that she could hit birds on the wing and sell them to restaurants at a premium price since there'd be nothing for anybody to harm their teeth on.

When you think about that, you realize that the little girl had to be doing an insane amount of shooting with both rifles and shotguns starting well prior to her eighth birthday and that for every Annie Oakley out there, there would have been tens of thousands of other kids who just put rabbits and ducks on their families' tables with firearms.

i am sure if you go back much further, the native kids were exceptionally good at hunting with spears. or clubbing mammoths over their heads.

...and?

Right on, Dag. And Native Americans practiced with bows and arrows at a very early age. Point is, these were hunter/gatherer societies where such proficiency was a needed life-skill. Being able to fire a Tommy gun is hardly a life-skill in an industrial society.

"Hoplophobic". Cool. I'd never heard of that word.

There's nothing wrong with an eight year old shooting a gun. An uzi though...not very responsible. I can imagine the kid's hand freezing in fear on the trigger...a non-automatic wouldn't keep shooting.

This doesn't strike me as very smart or responsible from those who run the facility:

It is indeed sad when a young life is cut short for any reason, but this is clearly an odd accident not a crime.

The child could had been kill mowing the lawn for example by having the lawnmower throwing a rock and yet many parents allow 8 years olds with adults around to mow lawns!

When I was a child on the boardwalk at Seaside Height NJ one of my pleasures was shooting fully automatic 22 short machine guns at a shooting gallery. Won some prizes at roughly the age of this young man.

Yes I know guns are <evil> unlike lawnmowers but without doing a check before hand I would bet that more children are hurt or kill mowing then at gun ranges.

somehow "comparisons of numbers" doesnt make me ok with the fact that some kid was snuffed because
1the people running the range didnt have any brains

2ditto the kids father.

THere is "reckless endangerement" , and I think that this ntire incident falls under that definition (or it should).

Clearly, u r right,
about his finger "freezing" as u put it, on the trigger.
Not in any "fear" since he 'd wanted to enjoy submachingun firing
for several months, or weeks, whatever his father said,
but u r right that when recoil from the first round rotated
the muzzle upward and hit the muzzle on his head,
it woud have been harmless if his finger were not still holding
down the trigger. All that needs to be done is to keep elbows
straight; that is easy, since recoil is very little from a 9mm pistol round,
including for the decedent, if he had been more mentally prepared for that recoil.

Therefore, I disagree with your assertion
that it was not responsible. He was more likely to get hurt
falling from his bike.



Have u ever shot an Uzi ? I have; thay have only slight recoil.
I am sure that he coud have held it in position downrange,
if he had concentrated on it. He 'd not have found that challenging.

If I had a son who chose to enjoy the delights of submachinegunnery,
I 'd help him out, reminding him not to bend his elbows
when the muzzle bounces; possibly, I 'd have him put his hands
over mine (to feel the slight recoil) as I fired the SMG.






David

Farmer,
your post tells me that what offends u is only INCIDENTALLY, tangentially,
death of the kid. What really riles u is that a gun was involved.
I bet that if he got killed from playing ball,
u 'd care a lot less, and not be hurling invective at his coach
or his father.

Its only a question of whose ox is gored
and exploiting a tragedy for the advantage of denouncing freedom in America.

Liberals HATE & detest freedom in America, especially for children to have any.





David

Yes !
That is sooooooooo much fun !

There is so much unbounded liberal anti-freedom antipathy toward it.

Making it SAFER, is one thing (maybe to vent the muzzle top),
but a lot of folks in this forum woud wipe it out,
for everyone and especially screw the kids.
I want kids to have the same freedom that I had however many decades ago.
That is AMERICA.
AMERICA = FREEDOM for everyone, not screwed on the basis of age.





David

U are anti-gun freedom.
What can we EXPECT u to think about anything that is pro-gun freedom ?

With all respect Andy,
he went there to have fun,
the same as kids who got killed in rollercoasters
or similar machinery; he did not go there to learn a trade.

Just train them longer and better, before thay go solo.

This was part of his enjoyment of "life, liberty and the pursuit of HAPPINESS",
which I declare is what America is all about.

What about all the 1000s of kids who enjoyed submachingun
practice with no injuries (like me) for however many decades ?

Shoud thay all be screwed out of THEIR freedom,
and told (those who committed NO ERRORS with guns)
told that because of their ages, thay were conclusively known
to be TOO STUPID to enjoy submachineguns,
so forget it, because of ONE kid who DID bend his elbows ??
I don 't think so; not while America is the Land of the Free.

The American Flag is flying in front of my house, as I write.

In case anyone hasn 't noticed it:
I am an American and I believe in FREEDOM !


David

You are a dick and what you believe is crap. Set right down and pour yourself a tall cool glass of S-T-F-U.