8 year old accidently shoots himself with an Uzi

@Intrepid,

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Those things are not meant to kill...idiot.

1) SO WHAT ?? We NEED things that were meant to kill.
Killing intentionally, not accidentally, as in this case, is a perfectly proper thing to do,
depending upon the circumstances.
If he had been killed by a fishing pole (a thing that is meant to kill)
woud that have been better ?
Tell me, in light of this event,
will the Canadian police now disarm themselves
of things that were meant to kill ?? HHhhhmmmm ? Will thay ?

2 ) If we did not possess "things that were meant to kill",
as u put it,
then we 'd still be in the middle of the FOOD CHAIN.
( I believe that by custom and usage,
at this point I am supposed to call u an "idiot" )
Thay were not meant to kill the folks who USE them,
but thay were meant to be used to kill threats, which is proper.

The way to reduce accidents is better training.

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@Green Witch,

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An uzi seems to be a very powerful weapon
that was designed to be an efficient killing machine.

9mm is not deemed to be "very powerful" tho
a submachinegun fires repeatedly until the ammo magazine is empty.
Hence, it is pretty good (at close range) for self defense.

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Is there any other purpose to this weapon other than killing humans.

It is meant as an anti-personnel weapon;
an excellent anti-burglary weapon,
in that it is short range and gives u the benefit
of repeating fire; (I prefer an H & K MP5, tho; classier).

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Why does an eight year old have to handle an uzi?

No one says thay "HAVE TO".
Thay have many things that thay don 't "have to".
He was not coerced against his will; he actively desired to do it.
I wish I had enjoyed an Uzi, when I was 8.
I don 't think thay existed back then.
If u hold onto them properly, thay are tons of fun.
This is the same as if he got hit in the head with a baseball bat
or if he fell from roller skates, or like when Congressman Sony Bono
( Cher 's ex- ) got killed by a tree while skiing.
Sometimes when your number is up, its up.

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What does it teach him?

It teaches him self defense and home defense from burglars.
Thay are very enjoyable.

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When I said "Thay are very enjoyable"
I was referring to submachineguns.
I really like them.

David

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This accident is described as having occurred in "Westfield";
does anyone know in which state that is ?

David

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That 's OK;
I have discovered that Westfield is in Massachusetts.

It fills me with shame,
that my home state of NY does not even have as much
love of freedom as Massachusetts.

I 'll enjoy participation in their submachinegun rallies.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

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Those things are not meant to kill...idiot.

1) SO WHAT ?? We NEED things that were meant to kill.
Killing intentionally, not accidentally, as in this case, is a perfectly proper thing to do,
depending upon the circumstances.
If he had been killed by a fishing pole (a thing that is meant to kill)
woud that have been better ?
Tell me, in light of this event,
will the Canadian police now disarm themselves
of things that were meant to kill ?? HHhhhmmmm ? Will thay ?

Hmm, fishing poles are meant to kill? I am sure that fishermen everywhere will be shocked at this revelation.

Canadian police disarm themselves? Probably not. They don't carry fishing poles because they are too big to get in the door at Tim Horton's.

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@Intrepid,

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Hmm, fishing poles are meant to kill?
I am sure that fishermen everywhere will be shocked at this revelation.

I am a little shocked at your response.
Does that tell us anything about your ability to understand ?

No.
I shoud not say that; its unkind.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Yeah, and how many parents give their 8 year old permission to drive the car?

What do you think the charge would be against a parent that let their 8 year old drive and that child crashed and killed themselves? Not only would it piss me off that a parent did such a thing, I would support them being charged with a crime.

Says it all really.

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@nimh,

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parados wrote:

Yeah, and how many parents give their 8 year old permission to drive the car?

What do you think the charge would be against a parent that
let their 8 year old drive and that child crashed and killed themselves?
Not only would it piss me off that a parent did such a thing,
I would support them being charged with a crime. [emphasis added by David]

He killed how many ??
How many of himself did that child kill ?

Nimh wrote:

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Says it all really.

It shows woefully poor reasoning; (forgetting about grammatical confusions of number).

It shows your eagerness to embrace and adopt
a gross paucity of logic, Nimh,
if his point opposes freedom.
I don 't want to say what this tells us about your powers of analysis, nor your love of prejudice.

Parados' semi-hysterical assertion assumes, with no evidence,
with only naked prejudice and open contempt for the minds of people of that age
that thay are either too stupid or too spastic or uncoordinated
to handle a steering wheel, or to operate the brakes on a car
and that teaching them to drive must be hopelessly futile because of their assumed inferiority;
in other words: GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT, with no effort to prove anything,
simply to proceed with criminal prosecution of freedom minded adults.
That is VERY unAmerican and very anti-logical.

Parados' bitter outburst and Nimh's adoption thereof,
show prejudiced emotional hostility against freedom
to use guns, not just to someone dying in an accident,
as if he had fallen and hit his head on a rock, playing ball.

David

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http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/10/police_identify_6.html

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"It’s all legal & fun," the advertisement says. "You will be accompanied to the firing line with a Certified Instructor to guide you. But You Are In Control " "FULL AUTO ROCK & ROLL

Why the father? Isn't it that "Certified Instructor" supposed to be the one who understands the recoil of full auto, and the ability of a youngster to control it? One more weak analogy - you put your kid on a ride at the amusement park. Should you feel a need to inspect the machinery for condition and design?

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

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Hmm, fishing poles are meant to kill?
I am sure that fishermen everywhere will be shocked at this revelation.

I am a little shocked at your response.
Does that tell us anything about your ability to understand ?

No.
I shoud not say that; its unkind.

I think that it your comprehension skills that are in question. YOU wrote the damn line. Are you so thin skulled that you don't even know what you wrote and then complain because you think it is the reader's response that is in question?

YOU wrote:

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If he had been killed by a fishing pole (a thing that is meant to kill)woud that have been better ?

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If a fishing pole never kills,
then its purpose is unfullfilled.

If u don 't understand that, I ll just leave it there.

David

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@roger,

roger wrote:

One more weak analogy - you put your kid on a ride at the amusement park. Should you feel a need to inspect the machinery for condition and design?

Oh come on. It's an Uzi. How much warning does a parent need to realise that, hey, that's kind of dangerous stuff for a child to be playing with, instructor or not? No matter what promises the ad is making about how, really, it's totally safe?

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@nimh,

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Oh come on. It's an Uzi. How much warning does a parent need
to realise that, hey, that's kind of dangerous stuff for a child to be
playing with, instructor or not? No matter what promises the ad is
making about how, really, it's totally safe?

Your post seems to indicate that u simply have no idea
what u r talking about. Your post seems to indicate that
u r living in a world of assumptions, gut-feeling emotions and prejudices.
Have u ever used an Uzi at a gunnery range ? I bet u have not.
I have (tho, I prefer the H & K MP5: classier).
From my personal experience, I can tell u that an Uzi
does not have much recoil and if the gunner keeps his elbows straight
(which he obviously did not)
with the muzzle pointed downrange,
he is very to be a lot safer than when he goes roller skating
or swims in the ocean in the summertime.

David.

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@parados,

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Yeah, and how many parents give their 8 year old permission to drive the car?

A kid never HAD to be driving to die in the shitty old cars Detroit used to make; just being a passenger would suffice.

Check out a copy of "Tucker" for the story of what happened the first time anybody ever tried to make a decent car in the United States and see if that doesn't piss you off a tad more than some sort of a firearm incident with a probability similar to being hit by lightning.

You might also want to check out the JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership) pages dealing with death by gun control:

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#dgc

www.jpfo.org

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This is the only time this happened with a submachinegun,
but folks (usually adults) who don 't know what thay are doing
and are using heavier ammunition than the little 9mm,
have bopped themselves in the nose or forehead, from recoil,
if thay do not keep elbows straight.

If the trainer had told him to keep straight elbows, he 'd be fine

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

There was actually a case in Md recently in which some idiot let a kid try to shot a 454 revolver and the gun hit the kid in the head and killed him but, again, the likelihood is like that of a lightning strike; it doesn't compare to the tens of millions who have died due to gun control policies as that JPFO page notes.

A Republican governor of Va. years ago had a little 14 year old daughter killed by lightning and I never read anything about him turning into a devil worshiper or trying to outlaw electricity or any such on account of it.

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@nimh,

Yes. You've no familiarity with a subject, and you're presented with an advertised, and certified instructor.

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@gungasnake,

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There was actually a case in Md recently in which some idiot
let a kid try to shot a 454 revolver

WoW! That thing is a cannon; I 'd think 2 or 3 times before firing that.
I 've fired .44 magnum, but that 's as powerful as I choose to go;
lucky not to get carpal tunnel syndrome from it.
I had a legal secretary who got carpal tunnel syndrome, bilaterally,
just from typing on her IBM Selectric Typewriter.

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the gun hit the kid in the head and killed him

That means the bullet did not touch him.
He died from blunt force trauma,
the same as if he got hit with a baseball, or fell from his bike or a tree.

David

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More children have been killed by animals at the zoo in America,
than killed by submachineguns. About 3 years ago, while I was lunching
at the Bronx Zoo (one of America 's 2 best zoos) one of the animals
got lose, but I was not injured.
Neither was he.

I called the gunnery range to join up
for the next submachinegun rally,
and left a message on a tape recorder.

I hope that the range will continue with its submachinegunnery OK.

Submachineguns are tons of fun; thay really are.

David

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