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Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 08:48 am
@Jenifer Johnson,
You know I am going to start an internet rumor that McCain was born outside of the canal zone and therfore is not able to run for president.

No facts or truth or logic needed all that is needed is a demand that he prove that his maother gave birth in the zone and not outside of it.

After all for the rumors concerning Obama birth to be true his mother would had needed to had travel half way around the planet from where she was living but McCain mother only needed to travel a few miles.
Cliff Hanger
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 08:50 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
...Rove et. al are assuming they have what you'd call a "free down" in football; in other words, they're going to keep their mouths shut and only if Oinkbama wins are they going to call him on it.


I believe in this case, if Obama wins, the interpretation of a "free down" will mean whining and an inability to face reality. Then again, your buddy K. Rove et. al has never had much of a relationship with truth.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 08:55 am
@Cliff Hanger,
Quote:
Well, regardless of his being born in Hawaii, Hawaii is not part of the United States, so he ought to be disqualified


Quote:
Hawaii is the only state that has an official native language. Statehood had been proposed many times throughout Hawaii's history, but it was not until 1959 that Hawaii became the 50th state of the United States.


http://www.netstate.com/states/intro/hi_intro.htm

Obama was born in 1961 after Hawaii became the 50th state of union in 1959.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 09:03 am
How a conservative blogger addressed this issue:
Quote:
I really thought we’d put this conspiracy theory to rest over the summer, but it has arisen like a zombie yet again to suck the credibility out of the conservative blogosphere.

A court is hearing this case, so it must be serious" Any fool with a lawyer and a couple of hundred dollars can file a lawsuit. That’s one of the reasons why tort reform is so badly needed. Frivolous lawsuits cost consumers billions of dollars. Conservatives used to make that argument, at least until Phillip Berg filed this lawsuit.

Why isn’t Obama answering the lawsuit? " Maybe because it’s ridiculous, and Berg has no standing to file it anyway.

Why not produce the birth certificate? " Obama has … twice now, once on his website and once to Fact Check.

Well, then, why didn’t he produce it sooner, smart guy? " Sooner than what? This came up at the end of the primaries, and the Obama campaign produced it within a couple of weeks. So far, that hasn’t done much to quell the conspiracy theories.

Why not produce the original birth certificate? " Most people, I’d wager, don’t have their own original birth certificate. If you applied to get your records, in most states you’d get what Obama has - a certification of live birth spit out from a computer system. I doubt Hawaii has the original record any longer, either. The certification proves citizenship well enough to get a passport.

-Ed Morrissey, HotAir.com, October 12, 2008
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 09:35 am
@revel,
I think Cliff's post was with tongue firmly in cheek.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 09:53 am
@Jenifer Johnson,
Jenifer Johnson wrote:

Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor

It is the government's responsibility to provide a natural born citizen as a legitimate candidate.

If Obama or the government doesn't provide proof, he is not eligible whether he wins or not.

Hey Jenifer, how come you haven't blamed the Jews for this yet? And where's your little toady pal Davidlg? Still hiding behind your skirts?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 10:08 am
@joefromchicago,
I knew you would remember this poster, joefromchicago!
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 11:12 am
@Jenifer Johnson,
Uh...pardon me for being unusually dense, Jenifer, but how could Gov. Lingle manage to seal a Hawaiian birth certificate if Obama was not born in Hawaii? At the time of his birth Hawaii was a territory of the United States, had been since 1898. The fact that it was not yet a state is irrelevant. This was ruled on waaay back in 1960 when Sen. Barry Goldwater was running for president against John F. Kenedy. Golwater had been born in the Arizona Territory. Arizona and New Mexico did not achieve statehood until 1912. The courts ruled then that this presented no problem to Goldwater's claim of being a natural US citizen.

This chestnut has been kicking around on the internet since the primaries. It's been shown to be a dead red herring so many times that I wonder why any of us (myself included) bother to respond to this preposterous nonsense.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 11:21 am
@Merry Andrew,
And, btw, Gov. Linda Lingle of Hawaii is a Republican. She would have no reason to shield the Democratic nominee. (Unless, of course, she wants to hurt McCain, jealous because he chose the governor of Alaska for a running mate instead of the governor of Hawaii. )
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 11:42 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

I knew you would remember this poster, joefromchicago!

How could anyone forget?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 01:23 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Merry Andrew wrote:

And, btw, Gov. Linda Lingle of Hawaii is a Republican. She would have no reason to shield the Democratic nominee. (Unless, of course, she wants to hurt McCain, jealous because he chose the governor of Alaska for a running mate instead of the governor of Hawaii. )


Or, when Obama was in Hawaii a few days ago he made sure that the birth certificate was not authorized to be released? If everything is as he says it is, why wouldn't he simply authorize the state to release the birth certificate? Why not present it to a judge and have the matter ruled on it once and for all? Why has the Kenyan government refused to release any information there until after the election? Could it be that this would prove once and for all that the birth certificate posted on the website and/or provided to Obama-friendly sources was a fake? And he knew his friends wouldn't look too closely?

Probably there is nothing to this. But you know good and well that if all this secrecy protected at high levels pertained to John McCain, you guys would be hollering to high heaven and accusing him of all kinds of presumed dishonesty and deception.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 01:33 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre, a conservative blogger answered some of the same questions you raise. Did you see my earlier post?

wandeljw wrote:
How a conservative blogger addressed this issue:
Quote:
I really thought we’d put this conspiracy theory to rest over the summer, but it has arisen like a zombie yet again to suck the credibility out of the conservative blogosphere.

A court is hearing this case, so it must be serious" Any fool with a lawyer and a couple of hundred dollars can file a lawsuit. That’s one of the reasons why tort reform is so badly needed. Frivolous lawsuits cost consumers billions of dollars. Conservatives used to make that argument, at least until Phillip Berg filed this lawsuit.

Why isn’t Obama answering the lawsuit?" Maybe because it’s ridiculous, and Berg has no standing to file it anyway.

Why not produce the birth certificate?" Obama has … twice now, once on his website and once to Fact Check.

Well, then, why didn’t he produce it sooner, smart guy? " Sooner than what? This came up at the end of the primaries, and the Obama campaign produced it within a couple of weeks. So far, that hasn’t done much to quell the conspiracy theories.

Why not produce the original birth certificate? " Most people, I’d wager, don’t have their own original birth certificate. If you applied to get your records, in most states you’d get what Obama has - a certification of live birth spit out from a computer system. I doubt Hawaii has the original record any longer, either. The certification proves citizenship well enough to get a passport.

-Ed Morrissey, HotAir.com, October 12, 2008
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 01:40 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
Or, when Obama was in Hawaii a few days ago he made sure that the birth certificate was not authorized to be released? If everything is as he says it is, why wouldn't he simply authorize the state to release the birth certificate? Why not present it to a judge and have the matter ruled on it once and for all? Why has the Kenyan government refused to release any information there until after the election? Could it be that this would prove once and for all that the birth certificate posted on the website and/or provided to Obama-friendly sources was a fake? And he knew his friends wouldn't look too closely?

Probably there is nothing to this. But you know good and well that if all this secrecy protected at high levels pertained to John McCain, you guys would be hollering to high heaven and accusing him of all kinds of presumed dishonesty and deception.

I'm sure you release your birth certificate to all who ask. Rolling Eyes

And my recollection is that John McCain has not released his own birth certificate. Why the secrecy? Could there be something to the rumor that he is ineligible to run? Why hasn't John McCain put this to rest?
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Jenifer Johnson
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 02:09 pm
@Jenifer Johnson,
We are heading towards a “Constitutional Crisis” if this issue is not resolved.

It is the government's responsibility to provide a natural born citizen as a legitimate candidate (US Constitution, Article II, Section 1).

Even if Obama was born in Hawaii, he lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother married an Indonesian citizen, Lolo Soetoro who legally “acknowledged” Obama as his son in Indonesia and/or “adopted” Obama, which caused Obama to become a “natural” Indonesian citizen. Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro relocated herself and Obama to Indonesia wherein Obama’s mother naturalized in Indonesia. This is proven by Obama’s school record with the student’s name as “Barry Soetoro”, Father’s name: Lolo Soetoro, M.A., and Citizenship: Indonesia.


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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 02:11 pm
@Jenifer Johnson,
silliness
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Jenifer Johnson
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 02:34 pm
@Jenifer Johnson,
It should be no surprise to anyone, that someone that claims the US Constitution is the fundamental flaw to the law of the land, would try to subvert it.

Don't believe me, listen to it in his own words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqHlc2C895c
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 02:52 pm
@Jenifer Johnson,
Apparently Jennifer has been easily conned into drinking the Kool Aid. Thats how it works Jen, when we dont spend any additional time learning the facts . You just buy into links and believe them without any further analysis.

My vote cancels your vote.

DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 03:06 pm
@Jenifer Johnson,
Jenifer Johnson wrote:

We are heading towards a “Constitutional Crisis” if this issue is not resolved.

No, we're not. The "issue" is a paper tiger.

Jenifer Johnson wrote:
It is the government's responsibility to provide a natural born citizen as a legitimate candidate (US Constitution, Article II, Section 1).

No, it's not. The standing government plays no role in determining the candidates, other than to make sure the law is followed.


Jenifer Johnson wrote:
Even if Obama was born in Hawaii, he lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother married an Indonesian citizen...

No, he didn't. He might have had dual citizenship until he became an adult, but that doesn't exclude him from being an American citizen.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 03:08 pm
Quote:
I'm sure you release your birth certificate to all who ask.

And my recollection is that John McCain has not released his own birth certificate. Why the secrecy? Could there be something to the rumor that he is ineligible to run? Why hasn't John McCain put this to rest?


If I was running for President of the United States, and there was any question of my eligibility to do so, you can be sure I would bend over backwards to get the proper credentials to those with authority to determine my status. The fact that Barack Obama seems to be bending over backwards to avoid doing just that is why the question and speculation remains and that fuels a lot of conspiracy theories. If he has nothing to hide, why is he doing that?

John McCain not only made his birth certificate available for scrutiny but cooperated fully with the court to obtain an opinion that he met the requirements of President of the United States. There was a cloud hanging over him too because he was born in the Canal Zone, but as it was a recognized U.S. Territory at the time and his parents were U.S. citizens, the judge deemed him to be a natural born citizen but placed the final authority for that determination with the U.S. Legislature that has not objected to the judge's opinion.

Why won't Obama do the same?
DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 03:10 pm
@Foxfyre,
Link?
 

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