Has ANYONE Changed His Mind ?

@MontereyJack,

At political rallies that I have attended since
the Second World War, and thru out the Third World War,
I have never suggested killing any individual.
Truthfully, that never occurred to me.
Offhand, I don 't remember anyone else do that in my presence.

David

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@OCCOM BILL,

Does your quoting her
symbolize your supporting her ?

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@JTT,

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as to other matters, like the right to keep and bear arms

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That's the ONLY thing that you've based your "judgement" on, David.

That was added to my reading that
she was active among libertarian Republicans in Alaska.

Its not good form
for u to be telling someone else what he has based his judgment on,
unless u now claim to be a mindreader.

The polite way to approach that is to ASK
someone what he was thinking, not to TELL him,
but being as sweet n lovable as I am, I forgive u.

David

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@Green Witch,

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I changed my mind. I was never planning to vote for McCain

The basic idea of the thread
is whether argument on the Internet (here, or other websites)
changed your mind about how to vote.

Therefore, it does not count as changing your mind,
unless NOW, upon the basis of Internet argument
u will now vote for McCain.

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However, after he allowed himself to be suckered into bringing Palin
onto the ticket I lost all respect for him. I think his conservative posse
made him pick her and he passively went along for the ride.

Well, the Republicans are and have been America 's conservative party.
If thay abandoned conservatism, then we 'd have 2 parties,
both championing the same thing
and
the voters woud have no choice.

McCain knew that the core members of the GOP,
its best workers and financial donors, are motivated
by fighting for conservatism (for liberty) and against liberalism.
He knew that we held him in low esteem and we were not
very likely to help him much; in other words,
there 'd not be much reason to run the election at all,
his nomination woud have been born dead, worthless,
and he 'd be wasting his time and effort for nothing,
so he tried to reach out to please voters and donors like me
with an attractive libertarian on his ticket.

In YOUR opinion, GreenWitch,
woud it have been better reasoning to abandon the conservative
core constituency of the GOP, and choose a VP candidate
who 'd better appeal to people like u,
who were " . . . never planning to vote for McCain " ?

WHATAYATHINK, GreenWitch ?

David

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Problem is, David, the core constituency is only about 20% of the electorate. You're not going to win a whole hell of a lot of elections getting 20% of the vote. And somewhere in the mid 40s or a bit more is going to flat out reject you if you go too far trying to please that core. So you've got to somehow convince a lot of swing votes you share their values. Bush basically did it thru fear, convincing people he could better deal with security issues. 80% pretty much knew he'd failed throughout his second term. There's no Karl Rove this time around, and more and more swing voters don't think McCain shares their values. Which makes the Republican core useless in winning this election. Get used to it.

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And like Green Witch I had respect for McCain as someone who seemed honest and would stick to his principles. He seemed like a Goldwater conservative in the midst of 21st century right wing religious zealots and neocons, which is what the Republican party has become, and, though I too would never have voted for him, I thought I could at least countenance him as president. The more he's pandered to the Republican core, the less I think that. It's people like me and Green Witch, who at least thought positively about him, that he had to reach. He hasn't. And the caliber of his support on the internet (I'd put it at about .177) hasn't helped his cause.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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In YOUR opinion, GreenWitch,
woud it have been better reasoning to abandon the conservative
core constituency of the GOP, and choose a VP candidate
who 'd better appeal to people like u,
who were " . . . never planning to vote for McCain " ?

WHATAYATHINK, GreenWitch ?

The Republicans have become conservatives in the way the Taliban is conservative. They have lost their moderate base. They no longer stand for fiscal responsibility and small government. They cater to the gun nuts, religious fanatics, anti-intellectuals and all paranoid no-nothings in general. Republicans have bankrupt this country with their pointless wars and bad economic policies. My father was an Eisenhower Republican, he doesn't even recognize the party today. What do I think? - I think the Republicans, after years of screwing Americans for everything they are worth, have finally screwed themselves.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

I couldn't have said it better myself.

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I have see sawed and changed my mind a couple of times this election...mostly because it has been so disgusting on both sides.

I now however am leaning toward going ahead and voting for Obama.... why? Because of Sara Palin. this ******* idiot will be just plain dangerous if the old man croaks. More dangerous even than bush IMO.

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@Green Witch,

Part of what u said is TRUE, GW,
but u answered about what u thought
about something different than my question,
which u did not answer.
In other words, u chose your own different question
to tell me what u thought about,
and u ignored MY question about what u thought about.

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They have lost their moderate base.

When u hire an accountant,
he is not supposed to be MODERATELY accurate,
if u hire the services of a surgeon,
he is not supposed to have MODERATELY
clean hands on-the-job
and
in their conservatism,
Republicans are not supposed to be MODERATE.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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In YOUR opinion, GreenWitch,
woud it have been better reasoning to abandon the conservative
core constituency of the GOP, and choose a VP candidate
who 'd better appeal to people like u,
who were " . . . never planning to vote for McCain " ?

WHATAYATHINK, GreenWitch ?

Let's try again, David. I think the GOP should have picked a moderate Republican with a brain and strong track record instead of an airhead from the boonies who is about as appealing as a Barbie doll. The GOP needs moderates not conservative fundamentalists at their core. The moderates are the swing voters. I will be driving three GOP moderates to the polls on election day, all three will be voting for Obama. For one, it is the first time in her life she has not voted Republican.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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When u hire an accountant,
he is not supposed to be MODERATELY accurate,
if u hire the services of a surgeon,
he is not supposed to have MODERATELY
clean hands on-the-job
and
in their conservatism,
Republicans are not supposed to be MODERATE.

Your analogy does not work. Political parties have philosophies, much like religions. Either people will agree or disagree, the foundation of a party comes from people's opinions. Math and science must work from facts.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Republicans are not supposed to be MODERATE.

If the PETA folks took over the Democratic party and put into their platform the banning of all animal raising and consumption I would have to look around for a new party. This is basically what has happened to the Republicans. The most extreme wackos are now driving the boat and many people are jumping off.

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What Green Witch said.

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@Green Witch,

Lemme get back to u.

David

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@MontereyJack,

By what reasoning
do u consider yourself to be libertarian ?

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Does your quoting her
symbolize your supporting her ?

Yes. (I think it's pretty far off-topic, but it is your topic.)
I think the woman was brilliant and her best work, "Atlas Shrugged", should probably be required reading in high school. I don't think her ideals, and the hyper-polarized characters she built to exhibit and demonstrate them should be taken to heart as is; but I do think they provide an important tempering alternative point of view. Suffice to say; I think her philosophical point of view has much merit, but not so much it should be interpreted as some kind of new religion… or even be followed too rigidly. On the other hand, she did provide a plethora of one and two liners that, as stand alone statements, are sound enough to be considered words to live by.

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@OCCOM BILL,

OCCOM BILL wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Does your quoting her
symbolize your supporting her ?

Yes. (I think it's pretty far off-topic, but it is your topic.)
I think the woman was brilliant and her best work, "Atlas Shrugged", should probably be required reading in high school. I don't think her ideals, and the hyper-polarized characters she built to exhibit and demonstrate them should be taken to heart as is; but I do think they provide an important tempering alternative point of view. Suffice to say; I think her philosophical point of view has much merit, but not so much it should be interpreted as some kind of new religion… or even be followed too rigidly. On the other hand, she did provide a plethora of one and two liners that, as stand alone statements, are sound enough to be considered words to live by.

I may be wrong but I would guess that when O'bill bought his Miata he did not consider Ayn Rand's thoughts on autos. Most like O'Bill bought his Miata because he liked it.

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The Aynrandmobile runs on its own gas.

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@dyslexia,

I wasn't aware she had a philosophy on autos. In business terms (exchange value for value to the mutual benefit of you both), however, you could hardly be more wrong. A late model Miata is among the very best values on the road in terms of cost of ownership: Decent gas mileage, very dependable, not heavy enough to wear out tires, and a resale price that is frequently equal to the purchase price. For single persons in warm climates; I think it is quite possibly the perfect car.

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@OCCOM BILL,

Not the manliest car in the world, though Laughing

Cycloptichorn

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