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Jobless father KILLS family and self

 
 
Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 05:42 pm
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- A man distraught because he could not find work shot and killed his mother-in-law, his wife and three sons and then killed himself inside a home in an upscale San Fernando Valley neighborhood, police said.

Authorities said the man had an MBA in finance but appeared to have been unemployed for several months and had worked for major accounting firms, such as Price Waterhouse, police said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/06/california.murder.suicide/index.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 05:47 pm
@Debra Law,
I read the same news, and posted the story on another thread.
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dancerdoll
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 08:44 pm
@Debra Law,
wow! thats crazy
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 11:07 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- A man distraught because he could not find work shot and killed his mother-in-law, his wife and three sons and then killed himself inside a home in an upscale San Fernando Valley neighborhood, police said.

Authorities said the man had an MBA in finance but appeared to have been unemployed for several months and had worked for major accounting firms, such as Price Waterhouse, police said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/06/california.murder.suicide/index.html



I really wish we had better ways of detecting when people are getting to this sort of terrible place. I wonder if the wife had any sense that something was very wrong? Oftentimes here people will report fears to mental health services, but it is so hard to intervene if someone is not detainable or will not accept help. At least here, police can remove firearms if there is some evidence of mental instability...I am not sure if that can be done where this family lived?

That is just so utterly, horribly sad. And it is scary to think, with the current financial crisis, this sort of thing may happen again. If this fella was not habitually violent, he must have been so terribly depressed and hopeless...and he is not going to be alone.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 11:53 pm
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote: "and he is not going to be alone."

No. He's not alone. Another story:

Fannie Mae forgives debt of Addie Polk after shooting

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MORTGAGE finance company Fannie Mae is forgiving the mortgage debt of a 90-year-old woman who shot herself in the chest as sheriff's deputies tried to evict her.

Addie Polk's plight was publicised by Democratic law-maker Dennis Kucinich as Congress debated its $934 billion financial bailout last Friday.

Fannie Mae announced later that day it would dismiss its foreclosure action, forgive Ms Polk's mortgage and allow her to return to the home where she has lived since 1970.

Deputies were due to escort Ms Polk from her home when gunshots were heard inside. . . .



http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24456540-5012748,00.html



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rabel22
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 12:22 am
@maporsche,
I dont believe in the carry laws some states have passed but the elimination of all guns even the ones that people have for home defense and hunting wont eliminate murder and suicide. In order to do that you would have to eliminate any blunt force or sharp object as well as all drugs and cars ect ect.
OGIONIK
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 12:29 am
@maporsche,
gun, knife, stick, your point is moot.

sorry.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 03:55 am
@Debra Law,
Even if despair over unemployment and financial problems drives one to the irrational solution of suicide, it does not sufficiently explain why this man would murder 5 other members of his family, including his three children. I think it is apparent that, while financial stress might have contributed to this chain of events, there has to be considerably more background to this story than is noted in the brief news reports.

For one thing, the family should not have been financially destitute, unless this man was making some very unwise investment decisions:

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The family appears to have been well-off at one time. According to the Los Angeles Times, they sold their home in Northridge in 2006 for $750,000, making a sizable profit on a home they purchased in 1997 for $274,000. They had also taken out two loans for $241,400. The family did not own the current home, which was rented.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indians_Abroad/Death_of_the_American_Dream_Indian_kills_family_of_five_self_in_LA/articleshow/3568703.cms


Ostensibly, according to notes he left behind, the man decided that it was "more honorable" to kill his entire family than to just kill himself. Are we really to believe this man's twisted noble motives about being "honorable" when it involves murdering his three children? Is it more "honorable" for his children to be dead than to have to live at a reduced economic level? Or was this man trying to keep his family from learning of how he had blown their finances and dishonored himself in their eyes--and killing them was the only way to do that?

I do not think this is a simple hard luck story due to our current economic crisis. I think there is considerably more than meets the eye here, and we may never know the full story behind this tragedy.

At some point, in response to stress, this man's thinking about how to deal with his financial problems became irrational. He became psychiatrically disturbed, and was clearly a threat to himself and others. For all we know, his disordered thinking may have been the reason he got into so much financial difficulty--perhaps he did not fully consider the financial riaks he was taking, or maybe he was trying to live too far above his means given his assets.

Whether his family realized his deteriorating mental state, or whether they urged him to get help, we do not know. But we do know, that on Sept. 16th, he decided to purchase a gun, a gun that became a murder weapon. Were this gun not so easily available to him, he might never have decided to kill his family. Killing 5 people quickly is not that easy, but having a handgun makes it a whole lot easier. The gun gave him the means, and it did become part of his "solution".

A man who holds an M.B.A. degree is not completely unemployable, certainly not to the point where logically he should become suicidal and homicidal. He might have to settle for a job he did not like, or a job he considered beneath him, but someone with the intelligence and ambition to earn an advanced degree very likely has options which might not be available to the average person who has just gotten laid off from a job at his local bank or construction site. But again, we don't know how much debt this man racked up, or what else was going on in his life that might have added to the stress of his financial difficulties. All we know is that he decided to escape from his life and take his family with him.

I don't question, for one minute, that there are many, many people living under severe stress, and under conditions of real hardship, due to our current economic problems. And I think these numbers may continue to increase before there is any real relief in sight. I don't question that this stress will lead to an increase in depression, dispair, and overwhelming anxiety, and that this may translate into a higher suicide rate.

I just don't happen to think that this particular case is typical, or that it represents a clear connection to our current national economic situation. As I said before, I think there is a lot more to this story than meets the eye.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 06:07 am
@firefly,
All excellent points, firefly. It's so easy to blame it all on the economy but anyone who commits a multiple homicide, then kills himself, was obviously not too tightly wrapped to begin with, regardless of the proximate motivation.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 06:19 am
@maporsche,
Ban everything. I am personally in favor of an O-boy ban.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 06:20 am
@firefly,
Interesting -- I thought of the Indian farmers who have been killing themselves when I read this, and especially when I read dlowan's comment re: not being alone. Now firefly's link seems to indicate that this person was Indian, himself. Seems like there may be a cultural component. I don't know how culturally Indian he was though... will actually read firefly's link now (got the Indian stuff just from the link itself).
sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 06:25 am
@sozobe,
Just read it... ugh. What a horrible story.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 06:31 am
@SYNRON,
Exactly- He also could have stabbed his family. Shall we ban all steak knives? What about poison? He could have pulled a "Thelma & Louise". I could relate many ways where a person could commit mayhem without a gun in sight.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 07:53 am
@maporsche,
In other news this morning, this mom killed her daughters with a knife, even with a gun at the ready. I guess where there's a will, there's a way ...

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Police: Mom stabs 2 daughters to death, kills self

LOUISVILLE, Kentucky (AP) -- A woman was shot to death and her two school-age daughters fatally stabbed Monday in an apparent murder-suicide, officials said.

A family member stopping by the house found the scene just before 7:30 p.m. EDT and called police, Louisville Metro Police spokeswoman Alicia Smiley said.

Smiley said investigators believe the woman killed her daughters then shot herself.

...
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Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 10:49 am
@SYNRON,
Actually I was thinking the opposite - I can see killing the MIL, but everyone else? Yes I am an ill human being.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 10:55 am
@Phoenix32890,
I guess I don't post enough anymore for the sarcasm to be recognized in my post about banning guns.
 

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