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Karen Armstrong on Bush, Islam, and the Battle For God

 
 
Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 08:35 pm
Millenialist fallacies
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Published on Thursday, September 18, 2003 by the Guardian/UK
Our Role in the Terror
by Karen Armstrong


Since the second anniversary of September 11, we have had sober reminders that military force alone cannot eliminate the threat of religiously inspired terrorism. There has been the dramatic, if disputed, reappearance of Osama bin Laden; new reports that Islamist extremism is again gaining ground in Afghanistan; and in the wake of horrific attacks by Hamas, the Israeli right has called for the expulsion of Yasser Arafat - a move that would almost certainly provoke a new spate of suicide bombings. How do we account for the rise of this religious violence in the post-Enlightenment world? Ever since 9/11, President Bush has repeatedly condemned Islamist terror as an atavistic rejection of American freedom, while Tony Blair recently called it a virus, as though, like Aids, its origins are inexplicable. They are wrong, on both counts. The terrorists' methods are appalling, but they regard themselves as freedom fighters, and there is nothing mysterious about the source of these extremist groups: to a significant degree, they are the result of our own policies.

History can tell us a great deal about the profile of these movements. Over the centuries people have often resisted colonial domination or oppressive governments by evolving millennial visions that amounted to a systematic repudiation of the mainstream culture. These millennial groups usually developed after a crisis or disaster had in some sense destroyed the world they had known. Inspired by a corrosive sense of political helplessness, they fought for a new world order, in which the first should be last and the last first.

The "fundamentalist" movements that emerged in every major faith tradition during the 20th century conform to this pattern. Wherever a western-style, secularist society has been established, a religious counterculture has developed alongside it. The persistence of this militant piety shows a disturbing and worldwide alienation from western modernity. Every group that I have studied in Judaism, Christianity and Islam has experienced secularism as destructive, and is engaged in a battle designed to push God and religion back to center stage. All are convinced that the secularist liberal establishment is determined, in one way or another, to wipe them out.

Only a small minority of fundamentalists take part in acts of terror, but when people feel that their backs are to the wall, they can lash out violently. In the past, any attempt to suppress a fundamentalist group has usually made it more extreme, because it has simply confirmed this deep-rooted fear of annihilation. Far from quelling Islamist terror, Israel's assassination of its leaders has only inspired Hamas to further atrocities, and the invasion of Iraq, which had no links with al-Qaida, has predictably opened a new terror front, convincing some Muslims that the west is truly engaged in a new crusade against the Islamic world.

Yet even though they have given us terrifying demonstrations of their power, those brought up in the secular tradition find it difficult to assess these movements. "Whoever cared about religion?" cried an exasperated official in the US state department after the Iranian revolution. People seem to assume that Muslim extremists are mechanistically driven by a fanatical strain inherent in Islam itself, which is patently not the case, since the terrorism that currently concerns us is chiefly confined to the Arab world, which makes up only 20% of the Islamic population. It is widely believed that the terrorists are simply inspired by a fanatical yearning for paradise and martyrdom that has fueled both Hamas and the Iranian revolution in exactly the same way.

These reductionist theories are dangerous. Iranians who exposed themselves to the shah's bullets were engaged in a distinctively Shia battle against a cruel dictatorship, while Hamas has been influenced by Zionism. Apart from the cult of Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem, there has been little veneration of land in Islam, but in their struggle with the Israelis, Palestinians have introduced the characteristically Jewish themes of exile, nostalgia for the sacred homeland and restoration into their Islamist resistance.

Ironically, we tend to become like our enemies. In describing his war against terror as a battle between good and evil, President Bush has unwittingly reproduced the rhetoric of Bin Laden, who subscribes to a form of Sunni fundamentalism that divides the world into two diametrically opposed camps in just the same way. The last thing the Israelis intended was to create "Palestinian Zionism", and yet in the early days Israel aided and abetted Hamas, which virulently opposed the secularist ideology of the PLO, in order to undermine Arafat. They should have learned from the tragic fate of Egypt's Anwar Sadat, who, at the beginning of his presidency, sought to create an independent power base by courting the Islamists who eventually killed him.

The west has also cultivated its future enemies, by arming Bin Laden and other Arab mujahedin in Afghanistan during the cold war and by giving initial support to the Taliban. These exploitative policies reflect a thinly veiled contempt; the religious ideas of these groups were dismissed as beneath serious consideration. Yet to those who had studied these movements it was clear long before 9/11 that fundamentalists all over the world were expressing fears and anxieties that no government could safely ignore.

We have also nurtured extremism by allowing conflicts to fester beyond the point where a secular, pragmatic solution was possible. In the past, millennial movements often became more religious when conventional politics failed. So too in the Middle East. After the six-day war of 1967, when nationalism and socialism seemed to have brought only humiliation and defeat, there was a revival of religious politics in the Arab world. Palestinians long held out against this trend, but despairing of the ordinary political process, the Islamist parties finally emerged in 1987. Once God is brought into the conflict, positions become absolute, sacred and far more difficult to negotiate.

The west has contributed to the growth of radical Islam in the region by repeatedly supporting undemocratic regimes, which allow little effective opposition. As a result, the only place where the people have been able to express their anger and discontent has been the mosque. Iran is the classic case. After the Mossadeq government deposed the shah in 1953, British intelligence and the CIA organized a coup that put him back on the throne. The US continued to support the shah, even though he denied Iranians human rights that most Americans take for granted. The result was the Islamist revolution of 1978-79.

Had its intelligence taken the trouble to learn more about the dynamics of Shiism, the US could have avoided bad mistakes in Iran. We can no longer dismiss religious movements with secularist disdain, but must study them as seriously as other ideologies. In particular, we must educate ourselves to see the distress, helplessness, fear and, latterly, rage that underlie the various fundamentalisms, if only because these groups now have powers of destruction that were formerly only the prerogative of nation states.

Terrorism is wicked and abhorrent, but it has not come out of the blue. If we simply write off these movements as irrational and inexplicable, we will feel no need to examine our own policies and behavior. The shocking nihilism of the suicide killers shows they feel they have nothing to lose. Millennial or fundamentalist extremism has risen in nearly every cultural tradition where there are pronounced inequalities of wealth, power and status. The only way to create a safer world is to ensure that it is more just.

Karen Armstrong is the author of 'The Battle for God: a History of Fundamentalism'

© Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 10:41 pm
The aurthor of the above article is supposed to be an expert on Islamic fundamentalism and she doesn't even mention Wahhabism which originated in 1750 in what is now Saudi Arabia and is the suicidal sect of fundamentalist Islam that Osama bin Laden espouses.

"The terrorists' methods are appalling, but they regard themselves as freedom fighters, and there is nothing mysterious about the source of these extremist groups: to a significant degree, they are the result of our own policies".

To repeat what the author says talking about terrorists-----they are the result of our own policies. You can see what her agenda is---merely to blame the US for everything that is wrong with the world today.

I repeat---She is supposed to be an expert on Islamic fundamentalism and she doesn't even mention Wahhabism----why?---is she incompetent or just stupid?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 11:00 pm
Sigh!
Rolling Eyes
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2003 11:04 pm
Hobit

Translation for "sigh"

No intelligent argument
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 05:01 am
Also didn't mention the Hashashin (meaning hashish eaters, where both the term "hashish" and "assassin" derived from) were not a "radical Moslem sect". According to "Remarkable Words with Astonishing Origins" by John Train, the "Hashashin were an 11th & 12th century secret murder cult of the Ismaili sect of Muslims. Their leader, Hasan ben Sabah, offered them sensual pleasures, including beautiful maidens and hashish, so that they supposed they were in heaven. He then sent them on gangland-style missions to rub out prominent targets, assuring them of a quick trip to paradise if things went sour."

While they may have been from a Muslim sect, they didn't kill for their religion, the same that the Mafia doesn't kill for Catholicism. They were strictly a mercenary organization.

And it's not a myth (at least to Muslims) about the 72 virgins and paradise. The way Sabah motivated them was to get them high, then give them a glimpse of "paradise".
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Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 05:13 am
perception wrote:
Hobit

Translation for "sigh"

No intelligent argument


More like fed up-get off your high horse, your pedestal ie, get your head out of that place you always keep it.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 07:51 am
The devil made me do it. She seems intent upon justifying terror.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 07:59 am
Percy, Au, are you guys even aware of who Karen Armstrong is? Your comments would indicate you are not.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 08:05 am
Brand X wrote:
Also didn't mention the Hashashin (meaning hashish eaters, where both the term "hashish" and "assassin" derived from) were not a "radical Moslem sect". According to "Remarkable Words with Astonishing Origins" by John Train, the "Hashashin were an 11th & 12th century secret murder cult of the Ismaili sect of Muslims. Their leader, Hasan ben Sabah, offered them sensual pleasures, including beautiful maidens and hashish, so that they supposed they were in heaven. He then sent them on gangland-style missions to rub out prominent targets, assuring them of a quick trip to paradise if things went sour."

While they may have been from a Muslim sect, they didn't kill for their religion, the same that the Mafia doesn't kill for Catholicism. They were strictly a mercenary organization.

And it's not a myth (at least to Muslims) about the 72 virgins and paradise. The way Sabah motivated them was to get them high, then give them a glimpse of "paradise".

I have a friend who is at NYU working on the crusades, who is writing his dissertation on them. Its a fascinating subject, and so much material exists in Egypt and in Paris (at the Bibliotheque National) that has not been really analyzed. I am always amazed at new things I find out when he tells me how his work is going. Smile Teh Hashishim seem to have been used by the warring kingdoms in the Otremer more than by the Caliphate. He also said that Chirstian and Jewish boys were often sent to the order by parents who ahd extra mouths to feed, in return for a large payment (see Boswell's excellent work on child abandonment in the middle ages for the common methods of diposing of unwanted children in the period) .
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 08:10 am
Hobitbob
Who Karen Armstrong has nothing to do with my comment. It is the message she sent that is.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 08:14 am
AU, I'm not going to argue with you. Your ideological blinders are firmly in place, and this makes discussion of this subject with you meaningless. I'm sorry you hate Muslims. They don't hate you. Have a nice day.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 08:20 am
Hobitbob
Yes discussing this subject with you would indeed be a waste of time. However, there is a question as to which of us is wearing blinders
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perception
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 10:26 am
Hobit

Yes we know who Karen Armstrong is-----she is a failed PHD candidate who does not read criticism of her book.

See below:

Reviews of her new book, and of earlier works, tend to challenge Armstrong's sophistication. In the case of her new work, one reviewer argued she gave too little attention to the development of Islamic law, a central feature of a faith that blends religion and politics while Western democracies struggle to keep the two apart. Another reviewer said she overlooked Islam's contribution to science, art and economics.

"I never read reviews," Armstrong replied, defending herself in a cadence that an observer once timed at 130 words per minute. "Islam" presented the added challenge of telling it all in 222 pocket-book-size pages. "This impossibly brief history of Islam," was the publisher's idea, she said. "People too daunted by thick books will get a sense of things in this one."

Armstrong teaches Christianity at London's Leo Baeck College for the Study of Judaism. It was her first trip to Jerusalem in 1983 that piqued her interest in commonality among faiths. "I got back a sense of what faith is all about."

At the time she was an atheist who was "wearied" by religion and "worn out by years of struggle." Born a Roman Catholic in the countryside near Birmingham, England, in 1945, she gave up on religion after her time in the convent. "I was suicidal," she said of life in her late 20s. "I didn't know how to live apart from that regimented way of life.

In other words she is mentally unbalanced but yet we're supposed to read her with rapt attention Laughing Laughing Laughing
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jon28518
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 01:14 pm
The truth about the holy wars?

The latest being bush's preemptive in Iraq, will be answered by the Worlds next generation.

My we as people of one plane (earth) one day respect all gods.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 04:36 pm
Why do conservatives spend so much time with theirs heads stuck up their arses?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2003 04:39 pm
They like the smell?
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Italgato
 
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2003 02:19 am
It is clear that any comments like I'm sorry you hate Muslims are ridculous in the light of Perception's important Comment concerning Armstrong's failure to mention Whabbism.

No one hates Muslims. The people we should defeat are the very small minority of Muslims who are fundamentalists--the Whabbists as mentioned by Perception.

According to Bernard Lewis, arguably the USA's leading expert on Islam, this small fundamentalist group believes that Islam must be established as the leading religion in the world and that the nations that do not respect the ideas of the Prophet, interpreted by the Whabbists, of course) are to be destroyed as the infidels that they are.

The problem does not stem from all Islam. The problem is just a tiny fundamentalist sect.
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perception
 
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2003 08:29 am
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2003 08:35 am
Italgato wrote:
No one hates Muslims. The people we should defeat are the very small minority of Muslims who are fundamentalists--the Whabbists as mentioned by Perception.



"No one hates Muslims."

Hummmm...makes one wonder how Gato knows this.

Seems to me that Gato knows lots of things that simply are not so.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2003 08:41 am
Who's radicalizing Indonesia's schools?

By Dan Murphy | Special to the Christian Science Monitor

JAKARTA, INDONESIA – The use of a small network of Indonesian boarding schools as a recruiting avenue for the Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) terrorist group has sent alarm bells ringing in the West. Some officials worry that Saudi Arabian money is being used to spread the intolerant Wahhabi Islam adhered to by members of Al Qaeda and the affiliated JI through the country's schools and mosques, producing a steady creep of radical ideas in a country famed for its religious tolerance

http://search.csmonitor.com/search_content/0916/p07s01-woap.html
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