Well, I haven't seen too many jokes about a politician having ugly boys because he slept with Ronald Reagan, have you? Or having ugly boys at all.
Are they out there?
There are certainly jokes and insults out there based on male politician's appearances. Obama is mocked for being skinny and portrayed as a wimp and McCain is mocked for having a lump on his face.
I don't know of any specific insults about any of them sleeping with Ronald Reagan or even about having ugly boys but that may just be because of how specific the insult is. I don't personally know of any other jokes about having kids with Reno either.
Ugly offspring jokes are common though, I do remember Bill Gates ones off the top of my head.
Do you not think that Chelsea's looks are picked on because she is female?
For some maybe, but I think her being ugly (more so when she was younger) had more to do with it. Making fun of ugly people is pretty common and I tend to see more of it directed toward men. Like this meme:
Fugly isn't a joke that's limited to women or even predominantly applied to women in my experience.
Not wanting to sleep with a politician is one thing.....constantly using her alleged unattractiveness to make attacks upon Hillary in the political arena seems to go well beyond anything that is happening to McCain, or Obama, for instance.
But that might have to do with them not exuding asexuality.
Do you contend that attacks based upon looks happen as much for men?
In general I think men are made fun of a lot more for it. I see a couple of meme's a month about ugly men but not many about ugly women.
They certainly have their peculiarities exaggerated in cartoons and such, but are they consistently attacked in the political arena just for being ugly? If they are, there should have been a whole industry of sleaze aimed at Reagan being unfuckable, for instance...was there?
I don't think Reagan had that effect on many people. John Kerry might be a better example and the cjhsa-level folk made a lot of fun of him (see here: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry
I can see your points, and I agree it is a fine divide...but is Lovatt attacked as a musician because he is allegedly ugly (he looks like an old friend of mine and I think he looks damn fine, but that is, of course, irrelevant.)?
I don't think the people who make these kind of insults about politicians use them for any political strategy, it's just a way they express hate.
If Lovatt ran as a Democrat cjhsa would make daily cracks about his looks.
b. The woman's hands are not seen as being something worth laughing at in terms of her ability to do a job.
The Reno and Hillary jokes didn't try to say anything about their jobs though. And when they do I think it is a better case for sexism. For example, Rockhead's thread about beauty pageants bothered me because he asks what Palin has learned from being in one as if that's the sole basis for her qualification.
The beauty pageant being dropped in the serious press is something I'd see more along these lines because there's an attempt to use her looks to portray her as stupid and therefore unfit for office, but cjhsa saying Hillary is ugly is no different to me than when those guys would call Kerry a horse. They aren't trying to make an argument about their qualifications, they are just applying their shallow minds to their politics and trying to get the other side angry.
I actually do find the Cruise is gay stuff very offensive and certainly homophobic....not sure that it is being used to criticise him as an actor, though?
Maybe you saw a Hillary connection to her job that I just didn't see. I've seen it with Palin in the attempt to use her appearance to portray her as stupid, but I've never seen anyone use Hillary's lack of mojo to indict her ability to do her job.
I am kind of interested that, as far as I know, Obama is not being attacked for being gay (he looks wambly and is literate and educated and such) or for being a girly man......are such attacks occurring?
Yes. He's been portrayed as effeminate just like Kerry was. Huckabee is the one who used it most prominently in the political process when he joked during a speech: “That was Barack Obama, he just tripped off a chair, he's getting ready to speak,” said the former Arkansas governor, to audience laughter. “Somebody aimed a gun at him and he dove for the floor.”
If not, I think that also shows a difference on what areas it is considered useful to slime politicians....Hillary gets slimed for being strong and man-like.
Well I think Hillary tried to cultivate this when running against Obama herself. She started shooting guns and talking tough while hinting at the Obama is a pussy theme.
Her false bravado may be condemned for many reasons other than sexism.
Mind you, given the stuff being thrown at Obama, I have probably just missed homophobic slurs.
Indeed. Larry Sinclair is a guy who claimed he had sex with Obama and did drugs with him and started giving press conferences to speak out. He justified it with the drug use allegation pretending to set the record straight about Obama's past drug use but the real smear was trying to portray him as gay.
Given that the "pop culture" stuff is being used as political assault ammunition, I am not really sure how you are differentiating the two in practice?
In practice I don't use them as differentiating factors in determining sexism. I use them as differentiating factors in what is important political dialogue.
The level of offensive stuff in this thread is par for the course in the pop culture sideshow to the political process. I don't think digging up T-shirts is relevant in most cases unless the meme extends beyond that fringe.
The sexism I'm worried about in regard to Palin is the more rabid "vetting" being done by journalists and I just see that as more noteworthy than offensive T-shirts, bumper stickers and buttons. Those things have always been quite vapid.